The Light of Christ

[_gdemetz]

Yes, they were "strong feelings" since I know what I stated was absolutely true!

[_thews]

Yes, they were "strong feelings" since I know what I stated was absolutely true!

You didn't state anything. You didn't respond to any of the data with anything other than generalized opinion, making sure to avoid being specific. The thing is gdemetz, the six things I posted are facts... it's not my opinion. Once again, if you care to actually read Fair's site, once you weed through the distortion on how you're supposed to interpret the facts, the facts remain. Regarding the OP, there's absolutely nothing "Christian" about Mormon doctrine... it's Mormon. The reason you can't respond to any of the facts I've stated while you bask in ignorance, is because you aren't capable of critical thought. Your "strong feelings" are a byproduct of brainwashing, which is why you can't accept factual information. Care to prove me wrong? Be specific... pick one thing on the list you believe is not a fact, and I'll show you it is a fact (using Fair if I can).

(insert specific answer here)

[_gdemetz]

You are ignorant Thews. Nothing Christian about Mormon doctrine?!? How about these:

Primitive Christian church: LDS church:

baptism by immersion by the proper authority same

laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy ghost same

baptism for the dead same

laying on of hands to bestow priesthood authority same

a prophet and first presidency to guide the church same

a quorum of twelve apostles same

quorums of seventy same

revelation to guide the church same

new scripture same

law of consecration established same

temple service same

missionary work worldwide same

etc., etc., etc.,

[_thews]

You are ignorant Thews. Nothing Christian about Mormon doctrine?!? How about these:

Primitive Christian church: LDS church:

baptism by immersion by the proper authority same

laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy ghost same

baptism for the dead same

laying on of hands to bestow priesthood authority same

a prophet and first presidency to guide the church same

a quorum of twelve apostles same

quorums of seventy same

revelation to guide the church same

new scripture same

law of consecration established same

temple service same

missionary work worldwide same

etc., etc., etc.,

I keep asking you to address the data, and you continue to spew this tired and endless garbage with reckless abandon as I shoot it down. Presented with the facts, you then run away and do the same thing. I made 6 very specific points which you claimed were not true. I'm asking for a CFR, as you've already fallen on your face regarding racism and polygamy. Now, you use your limited intellect to draw parallel lines between Christianity and Mormonism using "missionary work worldwide" as a supposed parallel? Really? What part of Christians rejecting Joseph Smith as a false prophet of God don't you understand? As you randomly toss out "a prophet and first presidency to guide the church" you fail to acknowledge Christians do follow living men to "guide" them with doctrine changes. Does any random prophet count? Baptism for the dead is a Mormon ritual. It boggles the mind how ridiculous this concept is. What about the young Indian child killed by a bear hundreds of years ago with no record of ever being born? Is this child destined to walk about in the Mormon God's limbo because you don't have a name to dead dunk? The Mormon God is indeed a evil demon if this poor child is damned because they can't be dead dunked by a living human. Then you toss out "revelation to guide the church" and "new scripture" to make your point Mormonism mirrors Christianity? Really? Just how much do you know about Christianity? You are completely wrong in your ridiculous attempts at diverting the questions asked. I asked for a CFR to what you claimed was not true... be specific and use some data I can reference. Telling me to use Fair and then failing to use it yourself exemplifies your ignorance.

If you want to take one thing from Christian doctrine gdemetz, it's that all of the doctrine of Joseph Smith is from a false prophet of God. This includes Joseph Smith's revised Bible, making every single shred of Mormon doctrine exclusive to the LDS faith. How you can logically argue that Jesus Christ lives with God on the planet Kolob where a secret handshake is required to gain entry and it's "Christian" is absolutely staggering. Are you ashamed of being LDS? Is this why you need to pass the LDS faith off as Christian?

[_gdemetz]

You didn't address my points. You say that baptism for the dead is ridiculous. I say that this is just another evidence of your ignorance. I refer you to the world famous "The Interpreters Bible" (non Mormon), and I will write their quote here so you won't even have to look it up!

1 Corinthians 15:29: "Baptism for the dead, that rapture of the cosmos. Paul turns to an interesting item of church practice in Corinth, and probably elsewhere too, and uses it to reinforce his main point..."

Baptism for the dead was abolished by the Catholic church in 250 AD, but despite this the practiced continued among true Christians which led to the council of Carthage to forbid any further practice in 397 AD (6th canon)!

[_Albion]

Thews, I can fully understand your desire to demonstrate to gdemetz the error of his position using FAIR , his foundational support, but it is a "cheap little site" after all in the scheme of things. Essentially Mormonism rests entirely on the reliability of its founder Joseph Smith before anything else and that is exactly where Mormons have to place their trust for any eternal potential....and that's a pretty scary place to be, I think.

[_gdemetz]

Albion, in case you haven't noticed, I have used much more than FAIR to demonstrate my points, including many non Mormon references.

[_Albion]

gdemetz, I just wanted to remind you that FAIR is just "a cheap little source".

[_thews]

Albion, in case you haven't noticed, I have used much more than FAIR to demonstrate my points, including many non Mormon references.

gdemetz, you haven't addressed any data, let alone using Fair as a source to back up your claim that answers can be found there. I'm actually agreeing with you for the most part, as FairMormon does acknowledge most of the facts you blindly claim are "ridiculous" yet fail to define. You haven't even researched your baseless arguments on Fair or you wouldn't make them. Do you have a point to make? Do you have something specific you claim I posted that is not true? If so, what exactly are you claiming I've posted is not true? You can either back up what you say, or divert again by relying on contradicting yourself with mindless drivel. Which one will it be gdemetz? Please be very specific in what you claim is not true... (insert answer here).

[_thews]

Thews, I can fully understand your desire to demonstrate to gdemetz the error of his position using FAIR , his foundational support, but it is a "cheap little site" after all in the scheme of things. Essentially Mormonism rests entirely on the reliability of its founder Joseph Smith before anything else and that is exactly where Mormons have to place their trust for any eternal potential....and that's a pretty scary place to be, I think.

I think you underestimate FairMormon. They do acknowledge most of the facts, and then use distortion in order to sway the reader to decipher the data using arguments from ignorance/silence to imply the truth is not what it seems. The reason I like to use Fair, is that it's a site LDS people are "allowed" to go to. Mormonthink.com is a much more accurate site, but it's labeled "anti" to scare away the lemmings. In this discussion, gdemetz uses Fair as the supposed source for the answer, but fails to define the question. This is a blind lemming approach, which is to be as vague as possible in order to wear down the opposing viewpoint and make it seem "ridiculous" as gdemetz claims my points are. If gdemetz responds again, look for yet another non-specific ploy at distortion, without any sort of CFR using Fair's data. When facts aren't available to back up what you say, one must resort to diversionary tactics placing their feelings as the supporting evidence.