zeezrom wrote:I've always believed this was one of those things that was too sacred to be left in the ancient canon. If Joseph Smith wasn't murdered, he would have continued the translation of the New Testament and the marriage story would have eventually surfaced. That is what I believed.
As a TBM, a married Jesus was my reality.
As a TBM, was a polygamous Jesus your reality as well? This was something in the JoD I flatly rejected. I am just curious as to your thoughts.
I considered it very probable but left it to the post-mortal educational experience to find out for certain.
I suppose polygamy was a reality to me, so...
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
liz3564 wrote:A question for MCB, and others of different faiths...Is Jesus not being married viewed the same as the trinity as far as a "dealbreaker" if one wants to be associated with the Christian mainstream?
Such a belief would indicate that he sinned in neglecting his family for the sake of his ministry. So, IMHO, it would be a dealbreaker. And of, course, early Mormons believed that he was a sinner like everyone else.
No caps here because this is a different Jesus than the one I know.
Buff, they are screening them much more rigorously than in the past.
Which early Mormons believed that Christ was a sinner? I have NEVER heard that before. Do you have a reference? This isn't a CFR, I am just genuinely curious as to where you heard that.
I suppose that if Jesus had abandoned his family, that would be one thiing, but what if he took his family with him, and his family was a part of his ministry? As is documented in the Gnostic works, which, I have no idea how valid or invalid they are, compared to anything else we have, Mary also served as a large part of his ministry and in the Church, much to the chagrin of Jesus' apostles. She was even referred to as a "second in command". I don't think that this would be the image of someone who neglected his family. As far as children go, it is entirely possible that Mary was pregnant with their first child when Jesus was crucified.
MCB wrote:Joseph Smith said that Jesus was "once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth" (Teachings, pp.345-346).
That is a perversion of what Joseph Smith was talking about. He was stating God the Father was once a man like Christ, a savior of his world. That does not mean Christ was a sinner.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
liz3564 wrote:A question for MCB, and others of different faiths...Is Jesus not being married viewed the same as the trinity as far as a "dealbreaker" if one wants to be associated with the Christian mainstream?
Such a belief would indicate that he sinned in neglecting his family for the sake of his ministry. So, IMHO, it would be a dealbreaker. And of, course, early Mormons believed that he was a sinner like everyone else.
No caps here because this is a different Jesus than the one I know.
Buff, they are screening them much more rigorously than in the past. :sad:
That's good news, at least.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
liz3564 wrote:There are some interesting theories on this. Some historians have mused that since he was addressed as "Rabbi", and you had to be a rabbi to be married, that it was an assumed that he was married. And, since all rabbis were married, it was just not a big deal to mention when discussing his mission.
That's what missionaries have told me when I was growing up.
Buffalo wrote: I think that system leads to a lot of pedophiles entering the priesthood in order to save themselves from temptation (or let's face it, give themselves access to children), only to go on to molest hundreds of children.
How does entering the priesthood save someone from temptation? Men don't cease to be men when they take their vows. Continence is called a "discipline" for a reason.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
Buffalo wrote: I think that system leads to a lot of pedophiles entering the priesthood in order to save themselves from temptation (or let's face it, give themselves access to children), only to go on to molest hundreds of children.
How does entering the priesthood save someone from temptation? Men don't cease to be men when they take their vows. Continence is called a "discipline" for a reason.
The probably think, as many do, that God will take away their desires if they do his bidding.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
However, sublimation does work wonders, as you well know.