LDS Church not Right Wing

[_KevinSim]

Less sexist than your church.

How do you come to this conclusion?

[_angsty]

Less sexist than your church.

How do you come to this conclusion?

You have stated one exceptional circumstance in which women administer to other women behind closed doors. They do not administer to men, and could not be seen to have a position of authority.

MCB has told us that within his faith, there are circumstances under which women conduct services (position of authority) and pass the sacrament publicly to the general membership regardless of gender.

That is clearly less sexist.

[_KevinSim]

You have stated one exceptional circumstance in which women administer to other women behind closed doors. They do not administer to men, and could not be seen to have a position of authority.

MCB has told us that within his faith, there are circumstances under which women conduct services (position of authority) and pass the sacrament publicly to the general membership regardless of gender.

That is clearly less sexist.

I don't think it's clear at all. I personally think it's pretty much a wash. Granted the Roman Catholic Church lets women pass the sacrament, but it was pretty clear that it doesn't let them bless the sacrament. It's not even clear that the RC hierarchy considers distributing the sacrament to be a priesthood function. On the other hand, what women do (admittedly behind closed doors), is clearly considered a priesthood function.

[_MCB]

It's not even clear that the RC hierarchy considers distributing the sacrament to be a priesthood function.

I repeat: An extraordinary minister of the Eucharist must also be a person whose lifestyle is in conformity with the teachings of the Church.

Those to become extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist are blessed for that purpose. If you will accept the analogy, it is a lesser priesthood. And those people do this on a regular basis, nearly at every Mass. Just too many people for the priest to do it himself.

[_krose]

Yes, you are correct. People conclude that the church is conservative because they don't give women the priesthood. Of course.

Their stances on issues such as the ERA, abortion, and marriage equality have nothing to do with it. Their embarrassingly slow change in finally recognizing blacks as full members, Ezra's rants about communists hiding under every bed, the speeches in the MoCon about a woman's place being in the home, the concept that any husband is the official head of household, the temple ceremony where women promised to obey their husbands -- those have nothing to do with it.

Right.

Oh, and I'm sure the fact that they got women to do the touching of other women's "private areas" in the temple had nothing to do with conservative notions of privacy and propriety.

And certainly it makes young girls feel better about themselves, as they watch their less mature male classmates get ordained to specialness and authority, to know that one day they could be one of a few old women who conduct an obscure ceremony for younger women.

[_angsty]

Yes, you are correct. People conclude that the church is conservative because they don't give women the priesthood. Of course.

Their stances on issues such as the ERA, abortion, and marriage equality have nothing to do with it. Their embarrassingly slow change in finally recognizing blacks as full members, Ezra's rants about communists hiding under every bed, the speeches in the MoCon about a woman's place being in the home, the concept that any husband is the official head of household, the temple ceremony where women promised to obey their husbands -- those have nothing to do with it.

Right.

Oh, and I'm sure the fact that they got women to do the touching of other women's "private areas" in the temple had nothing to do with conservative notions of privacy and propriety.

And certainly it makes young girls feel better about themselves, as they watch their less mature male classmates get ordained to specialness and authority, to know that one day they could be one of a few old women who conduct an obscure ceremony for younger women.

Thank you.

[_krose]

That said, it is true that the church itself, judging only from its most current official statements, is nowhere near as right wing as the large majority of its members in the Mormon Corridor.

I am convinced that if a prophet came out in support of reasonable gun control laws, or against capital punishment (two thorny moral issues where they avoid taking a clear stand), there would be massive defections by many Mormons who hold certain political issues more sacred than their religion.

[_MCB]

if a prophet came out in support of reasonable gun control laws, or against capital punishment (two thorny moral issues where they avoid taking a clear stand),

The LDS church is not consistently pro-life. Being opposed to abortion, but supporting the death penalty and the unrestricted right to bear arms is hypocritical.

[_DarkHelmet]

The church tries hard to present itself as politically neutral, but the culture is dominated by people like BC Space, Droopy, etc. they are the ones that tend to rise to leadership positions where they can pass judgment and enforce their politics on those who must sustain them.

[_why me]

The LDS church is not consistently pro-life. Being opposed to abortion, but supporting the death penalty and the unrestricted right to bear arms is hypocritical.

Many catholic women practice birth control. And many get abortions. The catholic church does nothing about it. The LDS church tries to be fair in case of rape or incest. Most Catholics are in favor of gun control and are against the death penalty?