Darth J wrote:--Do you take the corollary position: that an apologetic institute at a church-owned university should attack worthy and faithful members of said church?
How many issues of The Review have you read? I presume you're talking about that, or the whole of the "apologetic institute"?
There's no question that there are attacks there, but taken as a whole, could this be a distorted view?
Oh, so this is a "shoot the messenger" post. I don't see how these people's legitimate concerns, posted here by me, support your specific contention/straw man.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Darth J wrote:--Do you take the corollary position: that an apologetic institute at a church-owned university should attack worthy and faithful members of said church?
A better question, in my view, is whose authority it is to determine whether a person is worthy and faithful and take action on behalf of the Church. Furthermore, worthy and faithful are not interchangeable with " good standing."
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Darth J wrote:--Do you take the corollary position: that an apologetic institute at a church-owned university should attack worthy and faithful members of said church?
How many issues of The Review have you read?
A great many. Don't try to BS after two years of me being on this board that I am not familiar with Mormon apologetics.
I presume you're talking about that, or the whole of the "apologetic institute"?
I have a good idea: why don't you explain your own assertion? You are the one talking about these unnamed mighty warriors and then stating what their position is.
There's no question that there are attacks there, but taken as a whole, could this be a distorted view?
But that observation has nothing to do with your still unsupported assertion about these unnamed mighty warriors who supposedly think that the MI is virtually the only offending body (whatever that means) in the LDS Church.
Kishkumen wrote:Oh, so this is a "shoot the messenger" post. I don't see how these people's legitimate concerns, posted here by me, support your specific contention/straw man.
What were your sources? The Deseret News, and maybe Facebook? Did you post any positive views, from anywhere?
Oh, so this is a "shoot the messenger" post. I don't see how these people's legitimate concerns, posted here by me, support your specific contention/straw man.
Almost all of Ray's posts, for at least the last year or so, have been "shoot the messenger." That's because Ray's real problem is not about how wonderful Mormonism is or apologetics for same. His real problem is his opposition to critical thinking---an opposition in which he has a vested interest, as his cherished beliefs about UFO's do not tend to fair very well in an environment in which critical thinking is applied. In another thread, Rock Slider said that my UFO comments to Ray were a low blow. They are not; those comments are at the heart of Ray's posting behavior. If you recall, it was after I failed to be dazzled by Ray's purported UFO evidences that he left the board for a while. Go back and read through some of those threads. It was applying critical thinking to his UFO beliefs that set him off, and which explains a great deal of his ongoing behavior.
Darth J wrote:But that observation has nothing to do with your still unsupported assertion about these unnamed mighty warriors who supposedly think that the MI is virtually the only offending body (whatever that means) in the LDS Church.
Okay, so we must broaden that to ALL Mormon apologetics? Or just FAIR and FARMS/MI?
In today's lesson in reading comprehension, we will learn to look at the words that somebody actually wrote:
"There are also blatant lies, as well as attacks, in The Review."
Darth J wrote:But that observation has nothing to do with your still unsupported assertion about these unnamed mighty warriors who supposedly think that the MI is virtually the only offending body (whatever that means) in the LDS Church.
Okay, so we must broaden that to ALL Mormon apologetics? Or just FAIR and FARMS/MI?
That's up to you. It's your assertion that you are still failing to explain or support.
Darth J wrote: Almost all of Ray's posts, for at least the last year or so, have been "shoot the messenger."
How ironical:
Darth J wrote:That's because Ray's real problem is not about how wonderful Mormonism is or apologetics for same. His real problem is his opposition to critical thinking---an opposition in which he has a vested interest, as his cherished beliefs about UFO's do not tend to fair very well in an environment in which critical thinking is applied. In another thread, Rock Slider said that my UFO comments to Ray were a low blow. They are not; those comments are at the heart of Ray's posting behavior. If you recall, it was after I failed to be dazzled by Ray's purported UFO evidences that he left the board for a while. Go back and read through some of those threads. It was applying critical thinking to his UFO beliefs that set him off, and which explains a great deal of his ongoing behavior.
Have you finished psychoanalysing me? I doubt it, so carry on.