Sophocles wrote:Bspace, do recognize a difference between taking a moral position on an issue and advocating a particular public policy in service of that position?
There is no difference.
Wow. Just wow.
So anyone who opposes the Clean Air Act doesn't want clean air. They are pro-pollution. Is that a sin, to vote for dirty air?
Poor bcspace. All these democratic Mormons in the Church must drive him nuts. Hey bcscpace, I'm a member too and voting Democrat and for Obama. Just so you know.
Also, I've met Gladys and my sister sings in the SUV choir. http://www.suvchoir.org/ Instead of paying tithing, I've donated money to help with this effort to bring Gospel music and the love of the Lord to the Church and those interested in the Church.
Anyway, she is a wonderful gracious lady and wish many other members of the Church, like bcspace, would follow her example.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
DarkHelmet wrote:I would love it if the church started disciplining Democrats and purging the unrepentant from their ranks, while reinforcing their bunkers and hunkering down for a long fight. I don't know why we are fighting BC Space on this issue. The more BC Spaces in the church, the harder it is for the church to mainstream. Imagine if this message board existed in the early 1970s and people were debating whether you could support civil rights (ETB called it part of communist plot) and/or argue in favor of ending the priesthood ban and remain in good standing. What side do you think BC Space would come down on?
That was my whole point, which bcspace conveniently sidestepped in his response to my first post, and didn't respond at all to my second post.
bcspace wrote: "Democrat" is simply a catch-all word that accurately identifies someone as being in opposition to doctrine. Most Mormons would agree by going down a list of sins and doctrines that such a person is in opposition. I merely skip to the end because I've been down that road many many times.
Here's yet another example of how bcspace's dogma cancels itself out.
Marlin K. Jensen wrote: When people say to me, “How do you rationalize being a Democrat?” I just say I take everything that’s true and good and hang onto it. And the basic, historically the basic foundational principles of the Democratic Party have appealed to me more. But that’s a matter really of personal choice, it has nothing to do with our salvation. http://www.kevinashworth.com/ldr/transc ... -interview
Marlin K. Jensen is a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy, and he is a Democrat. In the holy temple, bcspace made a covenant to avoid evil-speaking of the Lord's anointed. But here, bcspace is saying that one of the Lord's anointed is categorically an unworthy Priesthood holder. Once again, in order to fulfill one aspect of bcspace's dogma (Democrats cannot be worthy Latter-day Saints), he has to violate another (the covenant not to speak evil of the Lord's anointed).
bcspace wrote: "Democrat" is simply a catch-all word that accurately identifies someone as being in opposition to doctrine. Most Mormons would agree by going down a list of sins and doctrines that such a person is in opposition. I merely skip to the end because I've been down that road many many times.
Here's yet another example of how bcspace's dogma cancels itself out.
Marlin K. Jensen wrote: When people say to me, “How do you rationalize being a Democrat?” I just say I take everything that’s true and good and hang onto it. And the basic, historically the basic foundational principles of the Democratic Party have appealed to me more. But that’s a matter really of personal choice, it has nothing to do with our salvation. http://www.kevinashworth.com/ldr/transc ... -interview
Marlin K. Jensen is a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy, and he is a Democrat. In the holy temple, bcspace made a covenant to avoid evil-speaking of the Lord's anointed. But here, bcspace is saying that one of the Lord's anointed is categorically an unworthy Priesthood holder. Once again, in order to fulfill one aspect of bcspace's dogma (Democrats cannot be worthy Latter-day Saints), he has to violate another (the covenant not to speak evil of the Lord's anointed).
I'm am sure that bcspace would say that Marlin K. Jensen is only a Democrat so he can spy on what they are doing and then return and report
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
Tobin wrote:Poor bcspace. All these democratic Mormons in the Church must drive him nuts. Hey bcscpace, I'm a member too and voting Democrat and for Obama. Just so you know.
Also, I've met Gladys and my sister sings in the SUV choir. http://www.suvchoir.org/ Instead of paying tithing, I've donated money to help with this effort to bring Gospel music and the love of the Lord to the Church and those interested in the Church.
Anyway, she is a wonderful gracious lady and wish many other members of the Church, like bcspace, would follow her example.
Cool about your sister. Three female members of this choir are in my ward right now. The SUV choir performed at my stake building a few years ago. I'm guessing your sister lives in Vegas.
Why do you guys let BC push your buttons. You can well see yhat he is a psychotic member of the republican/tea party. He is a classic reason politics are so bitter in the US. Ultra nutjobs like him have taken control of both parties.
Choose the candidate that best fits your views. As for me and Gladys we will both vote for Obama.
2.) If any church (or a member of) refers many times to a political party then something is wrong with that church (or a member of). If any political party refers many times to a church then something is wrong with that political party.
Political parties and churches can not have common denomination. Their objects are different. Your First Amendment - which You are proud of - unfortunately does handle only the one direction. It orders the government to not handle religious issues, but doesn't limit the churches/religions to their territory.
Do You want to be governed by a christian (in the broadest sense...) version of sharia law? Really?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
bcspace wrote: "Democrat" is simply a catch-all word that accurately identifies someone as being in opposition to doctrine. Most Mormons would agree by going down a list of sins and doctrines that such a person is in opposition. I merely skip to the end because I've been down that road many many times.
Here's yet another example of how bcspace's dogma cancels itself out.
Marlin K. Jensen wrote: When people say to me, “How do you rationalize being a Democrat?” I just say I take everything that’s true and good and hang onto it. And the basic, historically the basic foundational principles of the Democratic Party have appealed to me more. But that’s a matter really of personal choice, it has nothing to do with our salvation. http://www.kevinashworth.com/ldr/transc ... -interview
Marlin K. Jensen is a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy, and he is a Democrat. In the holy temple, bcspace made a covenant to avoid evil-speaking of the Lord's anointed. But here, bcspace is saying that one of the Lord's anointed is categorically an unworthy Priesthood holder. Once again, in order to fulfill one aspect of bcspace's dogma (Democrats cannot be worthy Latter-day Saints), he has to violate another (the covenant not to speak evil of the Lord's anointed).
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