Nortinski wrote: I fish the Henry’s Fork and other, smaller, tributaries of the Snake River. To do this, I have a rod and reel, waders, and flies that I’ve tied myself. I rig my pole, wade into the water, and cast until I’ve seduced a hungry cutthroat or rainbow. After I land him, I release him immediately. I do this over and over again, season after season, year after year.
Is this activity worthless?
Morley, there is a big difference between a man voluntarily spending his own money on fishing gear and fishing for fun and millions of people spending millions of man hours on behalf of people who are dead in an effort to obey what they are told are commands from God to do so in buildings that cost tens of millions to build.
Temple work isn't done solely because it's fun and relaxing (especially not initiatories back before 2005 when they had all the neekid touching.) Many (most?) members do it because they believe it is essential to their eternal salvation. There's a REASON why church leadership needs to ASSIGN Wards and Stakes to do temple work on certain days. Because there simply aren't enough members willing to go just because it's fun and relaxing.
Cute comparison though. But fly fishing and mandatory nonsensical ceremonies required for salvation aren't quite comparable.
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Nortinski wrote:Someone on another thread raised a valid point that I think deserves it's own thread. Although I don't recall who said it or where it was said, the basic jist was what a shame it was how many hundreds of millions of dollars had been spent on temples over the past 170 years and how many countless man hours have been wasted in them by members all on DEAD PEOPLE.
Can you imagine the good that could be done, the lives that could be saved if all those manhours and all that money was spent on the LIVING?
It's just sad and such a shame.
Someday we all will die and when that happens we will lean just what was a waste of time while on this earth. Let me put it this way: nuns spend a great deal of time in prayer and catholic priests spend a lot of time administering the eucharist...imagine the waste of time if god does not exist.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Remembering dead people could be great. In my opinion, that is not the problem with the temple. If the LDS Church did it in a meaningful way instead of practicing a rote ritual, there could be a lot of value in remembering our forebears and ancestors.
Morley wrote: I fish the Henry’s Fork and other, smaller, tributaries of the Snake River. To do this, I have a rod and reel, waders, and flies that I’ve tied myself. I rig my pole, wade into the water, and cast until I’ve seduced a hungry cutthroat or rainbow. After I land him, I release him immediately. I do this over and over again, season after season, year after year.
Is this activity worthless?
Morley, there is a big difference between a man voluntarily spending his own money on fishing gear and fishing for fun and millions of people spending millions of man hours on behalf of people who are dead in an effort to obey what they are told are commands from God to do so in buildings that cost tens of millions to build.
Temple work isn't done solely because it's fun and relaxing (especially not initiatories back before 2005 when they had all the neekid touching.) Many (most?) members do it because they believe it is essential to their eternal salvation. There's a REASON why church leadership needs to ASSIGN Wards and Stakes to do temple work on certain days. Because there simply aren't enough members willing to go just because it's fun and relaxing.
Cute comparison though. But fly fishing and mandatory nonsensical ceremonies required for salvation aren't quite comparable.
I guess you're right. They could be contributing to society. By staying home and scoping out Jersey Shore--or watching a pretty blonde lady eat a bowl of bugs on Survivor.
edit: Which is what they'd probably be doing instead.
Nortinski wrote:Someone on another thread raised a valid point that I think deserves it's own thread. Although I don't recall who said it or where it was said, the basic jist was what a shame it was how many hundreds of millions of dollars had been spent on temples over the past 170 years and how many countless man hours have been wasted in them by members all on DEAD PEOPLE.
Can you imagine the good that could be done, the lives that could be saved if all those manhours and all that money was spent on the LIVING?
It's just sad and such a shame.
Today, it costs about $30 a month to feed a child that will otherwise starve to death. 10's of thousands die a slow and horrific death each year because Jesus' husbandmen in SLC fail to hear their cries over the noise of their sacred industry.
Symbolically, I see the name of one of these children etched into each brick and genetically engineered fish that went towards building the kingdom of the Mormon God on earth.
When Jesus returns (if he even exists at all), where do you suppose he will visit first? A boardroom with a handful of self important suits? Seriously. No doubt he will be walking the streets of Calcutta, Port o Prince etc. administering to the needs of his children. The Jesus of the New Testament exercised compassion upon the very least first. He administered to them temporally first.
Mormon doctrine dictates there will be one thousand years of peace to do "temple work". Doctrine also states that the veil will be thin enough to communicate with the dead.
Why don't the Empty Suits realize the work for those that will actually want to be Mormons at that time will probably take about the first 15 minutes of the millenium to complete?
Inconceivable wrote:Today, it costs about $30 a month to feed a child that will otherwise starve to death. 10's of thousands die a slow and horrific death each year because Jesus' husbandmen in SLC fail to hear their cries over the noise of their sacred industry.
Symbolically, I see the name of one of these children etched into each brick and genetically engineered fish that went towards building the kingdom of the Mormon God on earth.
When Jesus returns (if he even exists at all), where do you suppose he will visit first? A boardroom with a handful of self important suits? Seriously. No doubt he will be walking the streets of Calcutta, Port o Prince etc. administering to the needs of his children. The Jesus of the New Testament exercised compassion upon the very least first. He administered to them temporally first.
I'm curious as to what you find wrong with a gaggle of mostly old people wearing funny clothes and stepping through a bunch of meaningless rituals.
It's possible to send $30 to Save the Children and also do temple work.
I'm not sure what Jesus has to do with any of this.