Apple shields $74 billion from taxes (as legit as Romney)

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Apple shields $74 billion from taxes (as legit as Romney)

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Like other companies, Apple typically keeps profits on overseas sales in overseas accounts. When someone buys an iPad in Paris or Sydney, for instance, the profit stays outside the United States.

Apple may pay some corporate income taxes on that profit to the country where it sells the iPad, but it minimizes these by using various accounting moves to shift profits to countries with low tax rates. For example the strategy known as "Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich," routes profits through Irish and Dutch subsidiaries and then to the Caribbean.

When it comes to using creative tax techniques, Apple is no different from other multinational corporations, says Robert Willens, an independent accounting expert.

And just like other corporations, Apple leaves cash overseas. If it brought it home to the U.S., it would have to pay federal income taxes on the money (though it would get a credit for foreign taxes already paid). In Apple's case, those overseas accounts have grown to a staggering $74 billion — equal to the market value of Citigroup Inc.

The money is accumulating overseas because corporations are counting on lower U.S. tax rates in the future. At 35 percent, the U.S. corporate tax rate is among the highest for developed countries. In 2004, Congress enacted a one-year "tax holiday" for overseas earnings, and multinationals are hoping for a repeat of that. Presidential candidate Mitt Romney wants to permanently eliminate federal taxes on overseas profits. President Barack Obama attacked that idea last week, saying it won't create U.S. jobs, like the Romney campaign contends.

Where Apple does differ from other companies is that it sets aside a portion of these overseas profits, marking them as subject to U.S. taxes sometime in the future. Essentially, it's saying "this is money that we'll likely have to pay U.S. federal income taxes on" because we intend to repatriate it, says Willens.

But because Apple doesn't actually bring the profits into U.S. accounts, it doesn't pay the taxes. Instead, it records a tax liability. When Apple reports quarterly results, it subtracts these liabilities from its profits, even though it hasn't actually paid the taxes.

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Apple declined to comment on the specifics of its tax strategies or why it records tax liabilities that other multinationals avoid.

"Apple has conducted all of its business with the highest of ethical standards, complying with applicable laws and accounting rules," the Cupertino, Calif., company said in a statement.

Yet Apple has made clear that it has no intention of repatriating its profits from overseas at the current U.S. tax rate. When CEO Tim Cook announced that the company would start paying a dividend this summer, he said the board determined the size of the dividend solely by looking at the amount of cash the company has in U.S. accounts.

"We do not want to incur the tax cost to repatriate the foreign cash at this time," Chief Financial Officer Peter Oppenheimer told investors in March.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/apples-phantom-taxes-hide-billions-profit-16838828#.UA2bX5KVCy8


What a bunch of greedy libs! Only Lefties Soros and Buffet rise to this level (and beyond) of betrayal.

:lol:

Actually, the truly greedy libs are the ones who control the Oval Office and the Senate, not realizing (because they know nothing about how wealth is created or economics in general) that they are pricing the US out of the global market in all areas including, besides employment (jobs), taxes, savings, and investments (stuff which creates jobs).
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Re: Apple shields $74 billion from taxes (as legit as Romney

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If I'm reading this correctly, you think you've got liberals in some sort of hypocritical gotcha moment because Apple products are associated with liberal people in their corporate marketing strategies and are more popular among liberals?

What if the liberal simply says, "Yeah, off shore tax sheltering sucks in their case too?" Not everyone is as blindly loyal to something they vaguely associate with their left/right "side" as you are BCSpace.
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Re: Apple shields $74 billion from taxes (as legit as Romney

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Also, hardcore liberals tend to hate Apple and their corporate practices. *shhhh* Apparently it's a secret to you.
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bcspace wrote:Presidential candidate Mitt Romney wants to permanently eliminate federal taxes on overseas profits. President Barack Obama attacked that idea last week, saying it won't create U.S. jobs, like the Romney campaign contends.



President Obama needs to widen his scope like Romney and consider that job creation in other countries with a cheaper labor base, helps our multinational corporations, and should be touted in presidential Election years. Solely emphasizing U.S. job creations is detrimental to our corporations and Romney will help ease this greediness on the part of John Q. Public.
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bcspace wrote:What a bunch of greedy libs! Only Lefties Soros and Buffet rise to this level (and beyond) of betrayal.

:lol:


You seem to confuse advertising with politics. Yes, Apple is famous for its (grammatically incorrect) 'think different' ad campaigns featuring the images of the Dalai Lama, Gandhi, Picasso, etc. And their '1984' Mac ad from the Superbowl is considered a classic.

But their business model is one that would make Gandhi, for one, cringe. Apple, with its Chinese Partner Foxconn, has in many was duplicated the 'Company Store/Company Town' model of Coal Mines and Steel Mills from early in the U.S. Industrial Revolution.

Foxconn is the largest manufacturing concern in the world. Among its clients are Apple, Microsoft, and Hewlett-Packard. Unions and strikes are forbidden. In January of this year hundreds of employees working on Microsoft's Xbox 360 went to the roof of the Foxconn Factory and threatened to jump off if they didn't get a raise. That's the power of labor in China: your biggest bargaining chip is to threaten to mess up the sidewalk with your corpse. The Koch Brothers can only look on in envy.

Unfortunately, this is not empty gesture. There was a spate of Foxconn worker suicides in 2010.

Is this necessary for corporations to make a profit? As Analytics observed in another post, Apple is sitting on a mountain of $100 billion in cash.

bcspace wrote:Actually, the truly greedy libs are the ones who control the Oval Office and the Senate, not realizing (because they know nothing about how wealth is created or economics in general) that they are pricing the US out of the global market in all areas including, besides employment (jobs), taxes, savings, and investments (stuff which creates jobs).


Globalization has meant that workers world-world compete against the workers with the lowest wages and lowest standard of living. For the industrialized Western world, standards of living have gone down, and profit margins have gone up.

As far as taxes go, a recent study showed that between $21 and $32 TRILLION dollars worldwide is being socked away by the super-rich in tax havens like Switzerland and the Caymen Islands. The world seems to be suffering from a 'lowest common denominator' syndrome.

Not understanding how wealth is created is not the same thing as saying that the model used for creating wealth could be improved. Romney (and to a slightly lesser extent, Obama) seem to believe that the answer is to 'go with the flow' and 'let the market decide' as if market forces were the Oracle at Delphi, possessed with some other-worldly wisdom. The result of these policies has been a crumbling manufacturing structure, coupled with a steadily declining standard of living for blue collar workers.
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How is making labor organization and strikes illegal - backed with government force - an example of "letting the market decide?" It's the exact opposite.
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EAllusion wrote:How is making labor organization and strikes illegal - backed with government force - an example of "letting the market decide?" It's the exact opposite.


You're right - I phrased that poorly. "Let the market decide' in this context means letting companies decide which country's labor market they will use - not whether the labor market withing the country itself has rights.
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Re: Apple shields $74 billion from taxes (as legit as Romney

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so stupid he thinks liberals are going to rush to the defense of a multinational corporation with a reputation for patent lawsuit abuse and shipping manufacturing jobs overseas to sweatshops in China.

omg! not Apple!!!
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Re: Apple shields $74 billion from taxes (as legit as Romney

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That's the power of labor in China: your biggest bargaining chip is to threaten to mess up the sidewalk with your corpse.


Seems similar to the fate of the middle class taxpayer in this country. Lower my taxes or I'll crash my plane into the IRS building. You die, and the welfare culture continues to collect and collect. They even profit from your death in this country with the death tax. Great for those who are friends to the appointed government bureaucrets and have access to the wealth, bad for those who have to produce it.
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