The Name of the TRUE Church

[_Quasimodo]

As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.
Author: Lorenzo Snow
Source: Gospel Through The Ages
Chapter: 43
Page: 105


God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end." Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses Vol. 6:120



W. Cleon Skousen, a former BYU professor, wrote:

Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain Him as such.... But since God 'acquired' the honor and sustaining influence of 'all things' it follows as a corollary that if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or sense of justice' of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the 'power' of God would disintegrate.... 'He would cease to be God.' Our Heavenly Father can do only those things which the intelligences under Him are voluntarily willing to support Him in accomplishing (The First 2000 Years, pp. 355-356).

Interesting! God has a boss. If God acquired the honor, someone must have given him/ her that honor. Maybe you are worshiping the wrong guy. Maybe God's boss should be receiving all the prayers?

[_zeezrom]

Mormon doctrine prepared me for Athenaism. Believing in an imperfect God is an acquired taste.

[_Equality]

Sort of off topic but this got me to thinking about the significance of a LIVING God. God is living and breathing right now. Do we realize what this means? It means there is drama in heaven! Let us finally get to the story telling of God's living drama. What is going on with him right now? Forget about the second coming. That is like a thief in the night. No. We don't want to learn more about the acts of thiefs. We want to know about God's passions in the sky. Tell us how it goes down, ye prophets! Who is God secretly wooing? What secret plot is he engineering? What is the status of Heavenly Mother's Coup d'état?

Zeezrom,

It would be best if you go directly to the source; i.e., by personally praying to God. Otherwise, you will be dealing with the opinions of man which will muddy the waters and inhibit your ability to hear Him speak to you. Use the Bible and/or the Book of Mormon as the basis of the questions you are seeking answers to in your prayers.

Blessings,

jo

So, a man (or woman) asks of God, then the man (or woman) waits for an answer. Then something happens and the man (or woman) has to decide whether what happened was (a) an answer from God or (b) something else. If the man (or woman) determines that it was an answer from God, then said man (or woman) is forming an opinion as to whether what happened was from God or something else. In other words, the man (or woman) is "dealing with the opinions of man" (or woman). So, going directly to God does not solve the dilemma, does it?

[_jo1952]

Hi Jo,

Saying that introduction makes me think of "Meet Joe Black", which happens to be a movie I adore. Anyway, I'm so glad to see you respond! I hope all is well with you and your beautiful horses. I have not been on a horse for ages. :(

Anyway, I would like to mention that I received the idea of Heavenly Mother's Coup d'état in just the manner you recommend to me: directly from the source. I got this prized information from the God I worship.

Hello Zeezrom!

I'm doing well - as are my horses. I am so sorry to hear that you have not been on a horse for ages. This can cause a great deal of despondency..... Are you a good rider? If so, then come ride with me!!

I learn so much more from the Holy Spirit than what the Church teaches. What is interesting though is that as I read more of Joseph Smith's personal writings and things which he never taught as actual doctrine - low and behold, I find he also believed what has been personally revealed to me. Most of those things which I go to the trouble of sharing on this board are entirely overlooked. No one even bothers to question them; like I never said anything at all.

So, what is your idea of Heavenly Mother's Coup d'etat? You have my attention and my curiosity as well.

Blessings!

jo

[_jo1952]

So, a man (or woman) asks of God, then the man (or woman) waits for an answer. Then something happens and the man (or woman) has to decide whether what happened was (a) an answer from God or (b) something else. If the man (or woman) determines that it was an answer from God, then said man (or woman) is forming an opinion as to whether what happened was from God or something else. In other words, the man (or woman) is "dealing with the opinions of man" (or woman). So, going directly to God does not solve the dilemma, does it?

Well, when you put it that way, I suppose we need to first determine if the man who prayed is really a man. Likewise, we need to first determine if the woman who prayed is really a woman. What if the person is an Hermaphrodite but doesn't know it because his/her parents never told him/her? What if that person does know; but the parents made the wrong choice? What if no choice was ever made? And our minds are off to the races.

Blessings,

jo is now searching for some Advil while mumbling something about equality, euphemism, what the ****,....... where is Quasi ....or Ludwigm....or MJ....must find some bacon...

[_Drifting]

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I learn so much more from the Holy Spirit than what the Church teaches.

How do you know it's the real Holy Spirit and not some imposter?

[_jo1952]

Mormon doctrine prepared me for Athenaism. Believing in an imperfect God is an acquired taste.

I don't believe in coincidence. Just thought you might like to know that I named one of my german shepherds "Athena". Also, when she is sitting or standing in front of me, I know that her state of being is a dog. If she turns her back on me because she spots something more interesting....say a lizard or a jack rabbit, or runs off to play with the horses, does her state of being also turn around and become something else?

[_zeezrom]

Really Jo? You would let me ride one of your horses? Aaawww! That would be so fun. My mom used to own horses so I grew up riding and helping take care of them. My wife's grandmother raised and showed Arabians in Reno. They are beautiful creatures. I'm not a pro but I like to ride. It puts me in a different world.

Maybe next time I'm in your neck of the woods. :)

Cheers,

Zee.

[_Mittens]

The true church must bear the name of Christ.

If Mormons wish to use this argument, they must answer as to why their own church was called merely "The Church of the Latter-day Saints" from 1834-1838. By their reasoning their own church must have been in apostasy for at least four years. Those who belonged to the early Christian church were known more by their geographic location rather than an "organizational" name. In I Thessalonians 1:1 Paul addresses "The church of the Thessalonians." Are we to assume that Paul was addressing a false church?

[_zeezrom]

So, what is your idea of Heavenly Mother's Coup d'etat? You have my attention and my curiosity as well.

Gladly, Jo.

The best why I can describe the events is through the use of early 20th century imagery. This photograph says a lot to me regarding the Coup:



This is Paul-Cèsar Helleu, G. Boldini and L. Casati wearing the Indo-persane costume in the garden of Palazzo de Leoni, photograph by Mariano Fortuny, 1913.

To me, it signifies Heavenly Father (left), the Holy Ghost (center), and Heavenly Mother (right)

God (the husband) wears the emblems of power and might. God (the wife) wears a costume of fierce luxury and structural detail. Look at her face. See how she looks at her husband? She is fed up! The Holy Ghost is trying mightily to hold them together but is is no use. She has grown equal in might to her husband and is ready to take over as the ruler of the heavens. Creation runs in her blood. She knows how to grow life within her. She feels creation with every breath. Her husband is oblivious to our modern needs. He has a strong army at his disposal but she is hiding a rebellion of monumental force. There is so much drama and action going on in the heavens right now! We just have to look up there and believe it.