Democrats still "Mortal Enemies" (Benson declaration)

[_moksha]

Wonder if Elder Benson's statement lead to the many years of Democratic Governors in Utah, such as Cal Rampton (three terms starting in 1965) and Scott Matheson (two term)?

While we may now be experiencing a Republican pandemic, there is yet hope for the Church. If Frodo can drop the One Ring in the cracks of Mt. Doom then....

[_The1Guy]

[quote="moksha"]Wonder if Elder Benson's statement lead to the many years of Democratic Governors in Utah, such as Cal Rampton (three terms starting in 1965) and Scott Matheson (two term)?

From Primary to adulthood Mormon's are taught to follow the brethren, esp. the Prophet who is inspired of God. Any man who becomes Prophet is chosen of God and, therefore, anything he says is beyond question. Obviously, any such man would have to be near flawless in his life's discourses. He could not be found preaching false doctrine. So, anything that he says in the past, esp. concerning weighty matters like politics has God's stamp of approval in the minds of the members, upon his becoming the one and only voice for Heaven. So, it is only logical that Democratic Governors would become a thing of the past when Benson became Prophet.

I wrote a letter to President Hinckley asking him to make a simple statement in Conference to the affect that it is o.k. to be a Democrat. Nothing ever came back...no response...no interview with the Bishop or Stake President...nothing. The brethren are perfectly content with the way things are because they were in on the design. In the conditioned minds of the members, to say, "Vote the party of your choice," means any of the numerous parties (Libertarian, Constitution, Republican)...just not the Democratic Party. So, you will likely never see a Democrat elected in a partisan race where there is a majority of Mormons, regardless of his or her personal views on the hot subjects. The label "Democrat" is the kiss of death.

[_bcspace]

What, specifically, would a Republcan President do that the current Democrat President isn't already doing?

Work to repeal PPACA. Nominate conservative judges. Etc. etc.

[_bcspace]

You have given me a lot to respond to, BC. First, what is socialism?

The expanded welfare state. The control of supply and demand. Forced charity etc. PPACA is socialist legislation for example.

Our founding fathers were socialists. They setup government regulation of Commerce. Commerce can certainly regulate itself, right? They set up an Army and Navy run by the government, which very well could have been privatized from the beginning. For heaven sakes, they set up a government when a feudal society made up of warlords could have provided no government interference at all. They were socialists and we have seen socialists from that day down to the present in both parties. Every elected official passes laws and regulations that have an effect on you and me and every person and business in this country. They are socialists! And maybe even you are a socialist, or would you rather have the alternatives suggested?

Nope. try again.

[_The1Guy]

"Nope. try again." What kind of a statement is that? It sounds pretty bankrupt to me.

[_The1Guy]

You have given me a lot to respond to, BC. First, what is socialism?

The expanded welfare state. The control of supply and demand. Forced charity etc. PPACA is socialist legislation.


I'm assuming when you say, "expanded welfare state" you are talking about Corporate Welfare. And, yes, bailing out our auto industry is corporate welfare. Thank goodness we did. And, yes, that is socialism (government involvement where business wasn't making it). You obviously would rather that industry just disappear and turn up in China, right?

Have you ever had an economics class? In Communism, government controls supply and demand. In a socialistic-free market like ours government is a participant in the market but it does not "control" supply and demand. Consumers, businesses, availability of natural resources, weather patterns, etc. control supply and demand. Yes, Monetary and Fiscal policy play a part but they can be trumped by consumer confidence. If consumers just up and quit buying for whatever reason (Demand drops), supply will simply dwindle away or go overseas.

When you say "Forced charity etc" I don't know what you are talking about. If it is forced, it is not charity. Charity comes out of the goodness of one's heart.

In 2006 I had heart surgery. For years I have been paying into health insurance (private). When it came time for my insurance company to pay for my heart procedures and hospitalization, they only payed 10% of the bill. I will be paying for the rest of my life on the balance. What kind of system is that? BC, if you can't see that we need to revamp our health care system, you just wait until you are in my position. Our State and Federal politicians are all on a single payer program. (At least that's the way it was 15 years ago) Every five years they put their group policy up for bid. The lowest bidder gets the contract. They are taken care of for a very low premium. But if we all were on that program, that would be called "a single-payer system" which is similar to some of the Canadian Provinces and their "socialized medicine." And, of course, you and all of the conservatives at the State Capital would scream foul..."that's socialism!" When are you people ever going to realize that Government has been a part of our lives from the very beginning. We are a free-market-socialistic country and have been from the beginning. And thank goodness the Government is there to keep the sharks from devouring the minnows.

[_The1Guy]

Our founding fathers were socialists. They setup government regulation of Commerce. Commerce can certainly regulate itself, right? They set up an Army and Navy run by the government, which very well could have been privatized from the beginning. For heaven sakes, they set up a government when a feudal society made up of warlords could have provided no government interference at all. They were socialists and we have seen socialists from that day down to the present in both parties. Every elected official passes laws and regulations that have an effect on you and me and every person and business in this country. They are socialists! And maybe even you are a socialist, or would you rather have the alternatives suggested?

Don't forget the nationalized bank. It was Alexander Hamilton's idea and well supported among the "fathers."

Thank you for your contribution, Kevin.