The Mormon/Catholic ticket

[_why me]

Why, because the normal expectation is that a man would not do that? How does that put Mormons, in general, in a better light? There are plenty of broken Mormon marriages, for many reasons, spouse illness among them.

Surely you don't think we all see Catholicism in a negative light because Newt Gingrich dumped his sick wife for a younger model.

Catholicism has been around a long time. In american history, the Kennedy presidency was a great help in breaking the political sealing. For Mormons, who only number a small number in america and throughout the world, the Romney ticket can influence people in the belief that Mormons are just people too who have good family values and moral standards. It is educational.

By picking ryan, he chose a candidate that is a devout member of the largest religious block in the USA. And it shows that Mormons have much in common with them.

My aunt is an example. She has died but when alive she never tired asking me if Mormons celebrate christmas, easter etc. Such is the mentality of many americans.

[_why me]

CAF's Non-Catholic board is just as much a debating board as MD&D so debates will happen.

It is not a debating board at all but a bully board. In the past, LDS posters who defended their church against the insults were bullied over and over again. The insults were terrible. But now the new moderator has more control over the Mormon threads than the preivious moderator and he has subdued the more trident element of yesteryear.

I think that things have improved but...

The catholics on MDD are not bullied into submission and banned for defending their faith. There are actually nice conversations btween the two groups. And blueadept is proof of this as is saemo and 3DOP. And our own BartBurk who also posts on MDD.

[_why me]

All the Mormon politicians in the world can't make Mormonism anything than what it is. The jabs back and forth don't mean much to me. The religion itself gives me the creeps. That's the emotion I have when I read at MD&D.

How does this sound: All the catholic politicians in the world can't make cathoicism anything than what it is. The jabs back and forth don't mean much to me. The religion itself gives me the creeps. That's the emotion I have when I read the CAF board.

Doesn't that sound nice?

Sadly, you know little of Mormonism and know less about the Mormons.

[_madeleine]

All the Mormon politicians in the world can't make Mormonism anything than what it is. The jabs back and forth don't mean much to me. The religion itself gives me the creeps. That's the emotion I have when I read at MD&D.

How does this sound: All the catholic politicians in the world can't make cathoicism anything than what it is. The jabs back and forth don't mean much to me. The religion itself gives me the creeps. That's the emotion I have when I read the CAF board.

Doesn't that sound nice?

Sadly, you know little of Mormonism and know less about the Mormons.

I've read similar. There are some critical points about Catholicism that I can agree with. The difference is, Catholicism has never looked to me, based on fact, like one big con with people following it because it "feels good".

So, changing nouns in sentences may seem clever to you, but I'm fond of seeing some critical thought behind the assertion.

[_cafe crema]

The catholics on MDD are not bullied into submission and banned for defending their faith. There are actually nice conversations btween the two groups. And blueadept is proof of this as is saemo and 3DOP. And our own BartBurk who also posts on MDD.

I've seen Saemo and Blueadept treated quite poorly on many occasions on MD&D.

It is understandable why Catholics who say they "could see the Catholic Church as the whore of Babylon" would be well received on MD&D.

[_MCB]

It is understandable why Catholics who say they "could see the Catholic Church as the whore of Babylon" would be well received on MD&D.

Negative aspects of the history of the Catholic Church make it look so. It takes constant renewal and self examination to prevent this. Complacency, self-congratulation, and pride are the seeds of destruction. Highly unlikely today-- our critics are our best friends. More so in other churches that are resistant to criticism.

[_hobo1512]

Why Me is just anti-Catholic, and he just proves it more and more. Critics of the Catholic Church like Why Me just make the job of the Catholics easier.

He got caught with his lies over at CAF, and can't face the truth

He still cannot provide "proof" that the reason Ryan was chosen is because he is Catholic.

He still cannot provide "proof" that BY "allowed" the Cathedral to be built in SLC, considering he had been dead for 13 years when it happened.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, he still sees imaginary nuns and priests that say it's ok to be Mormon and Catholic.

Folks, you just can't make some of this stuff up....LOL

[_why me]

I've read similar. There are some critical points about Catholicism that I can agree with. The difference is, Catholicism has never looked to me, based on fact, like one big con with people following it because it "feels good".

This is why I say that you know very little about Mormonism or Mormons. It has nothing to do with feeling good. Rather it has to do with spiritual experiences. Such was the case with the 11 witnesses to the Book of Mormon. It was not feeling good that got them never to deny their testimony but the experience that they had when they saw and felt the plates and turned the pages over.

And for members who prayed about the Book of Mormon and received a positive answer... this had nothing to do with feeling good but the experience of receiving a spiritual witness that the book is true. The LDS churh survives on spiritual experiences of its members.

[_why me]

Truth is truth. The retention rate for the mo's is abysmal. After all, they're missing 1 million or so in Brazil.

Take a look at the catholic church in bavaria. It is abysmal. But I wonder how many are still considered catholic by the catholic church?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 10654.html

In Germany, where hundreds of allegations of decades-old abuse have come to light since January and engulfed 22 of 27 Roman Catholic dioceses, the Catholic Church faces its worst crisis in post-World War II history. Polls show a majority of Germans believe the scandal has undermined the church's credibility, and recent government data suggest the revelations have sparked an increase in Germans leaving the church, whose membership, like that of Protestant churches, has long been declining.

[_why me]

I've seen Saemo and Blueadept treated quite poorly on many occasions on MD&D.

It is understandable why Catholics who say they "could
see the Catholic Church as the whore of Babylon" would be well received on MD&D.

You are mistaken. Debate is debate. But on CAF, the mocking of the Mormon church is the problem and has been the problem. But like I said, the moderators are clamping down on it to some extent. It would not be good to bash and mock the faith of the president of the united states if Romney were elected president. Nor would it be good to call Mormonism a cult if Romney were president.