Tchild wrote:Well, then why didn't God command somebody somewhere to kill Hitler, or Pol Pot or Idi Amin or any of a thousand other despicable despots, killers and murderers? Or maybe even Mitt Romney, who if elected might bomb Iran and lead America into a new age of barbaric emperialism and murder.
Why is the Mormon God so completely arbitrary?
This also fails to directly answer the question.
Some evils are used by the Lord to bring about His purposes. The Lord fortold the destruction of Israel and its people, and Hilter appears to have been a neccesary evil. Laban was trying to fustrate the Lord's plans, and therefore, needed to be dealt with.
As for Romney or Obama, the Second Coming needs to be ushered in somehow...
"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21
Tchild wrote:Well, then why didn't God command somebody somewhere to kill Hitler, or Pol Pot or Idi Amin or any of a thousand other despicable despots, killers and murderers? Or maybe even Mitt Romney, who if elected might bomb Iran and lead America into a new age of barbaric emperialism and murder.
Why is the Mormon God so completely arbitrary?
This also fails to directly answer the question.
Some evils are used by the Lord to bring about His purposes. The Lord fortold the destruction of Israel and its people, and Hilter appears to have been a neccesary evil. Laban was trying to fustrate the Lord's plans, and therefore, needed to be dealt with.
As for Romney or Obama, the Second Coming needs to be ushered in somehow...
See above reference to a photocopier.
And yet the lord's plans were thwarted. The nation fell into disbelief and was destroyed. Why did the lord not have Nephi slay Laman and Lemuel why he was at it? Seems like a better solution.
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SteelHead wrote:The holocaust happening anyway is in reference to the story in the Book of Mormon. Nephi kills Laban so that the nephite nation will not perish in disbelief. Then they perish in disbelief anyway. The whole slaying of Laban was moot.
You're comparing apples to oranges. There were generations of Nephites, as well as Lamanites and others, who lived by the Law because they had it. The eventual, and prophesied, unbelief and destruction was a result of choice...not for a lack of having the Law.
Your attempted analogy doesn't work, because your's requires another event to equate the Holocaust sans Hilter.
"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21
Gordon wrote:Some evils are used by the Lord to bring about His purposes. The Lord fortold the destruction of Israel and its people, and Hilter appears to have been a neccesary evil. Laban was trying to fustrate the Lord's plans, and therefore, needed to be dealt with.
See?
Hitler not killed = God's plan fulfilled.
Laban killed = God's plan fulfilled.
God's plans are always fulfilled, praise his name!!!!
(How do we know what God's plans are? Simple. Whatever happens is his plan. So he always succeeds!!! Isn't it marvellous?)
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
You are ordered by the voices in your head to slay a man to preserve a nation. So you do so. The nation falls anyway. What does this say about the voices in your head?
God isn't a voice in your head. God is real. If you'd actually real seen and spoken with him you'd know that and be able to recognize his voice. Then you do what the Lord asks.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Drifting wrote:Yes, I think murdering someone for an outcome you have no guarentee will happen is repugnant. In hindsight do you think God regrets having Nephi murder Laban for no justifiable reason?
The Lord would be able to guarantee the outcome, and hindsight also provides the guarantee in this instance.
I don't think the Lord regrets his command, because it was justifiable.
"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21
Molok wrote:Of course not, Drifting. Gordon has already explained to us that God has no obligation to follow any of the (apparently) arbitrary rules that he makes mankind follow.
That's correct. I tell my children to go to bed early, but I am not under the same obligation.
"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21