Stormy Waters wrote:What a way to test someones obedience. See if they are willing to do things contrary to their conscience. God could have disposed of Laban using countless methods. Again if anyone today claimed to have murdered someone because God told them to we would not entertain the claim for a second in court.
Jesus was condemned by Man's 'court'. Yes, Laban could have been disposed of in numerous ways, but that doesn't test Nephi's faith/obedience, now does it? It wasn't Nephi's conscience that made him hesitate, it was doubt. Jesus didn't really want to drink from the bitter cup, but He did so.
"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21
Molok wrote:So, like I said before, murder isn't evil. It's just an arbitrary rule God set up. Thanks for confirming that for us.
Disobeying the Lord is evil.
"thou shalt not kill"
The child died as a punishment to David...not to the child. LDS believe the child is saved in the CK...not a bad life for the little guy
Wow, you don't even have to do anything wrong for God to murder you! He might just do it just to get back at someone else. Why do you worship this fellow?
Gordon. You don't need to tell us LDS beliefs. We all know them. The majority of us are LDS, and those who aren't know the wacko doctrines. I have a current TR in my wallet.
But back to the topic at hand, did you say the kid was killed for the sins of the father (David)?
Have you ever read the Articles of Faith?
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
Gordon wrote:The LDS Church teaches that murder is bad because it takes away the agency of the victim. We deny them the opportunity to live according to the Gospel. We don't know what they will do...the Lord does, however. He is the ultimate judge, and who are we to put a time restriction on that? If the Lord deems that a soul is lost, He can command their mortal life to end.
But what we can NEVER know Gordon, is if God really ever has or will command a man to kill or murder. How can we know when it is the man doing the talking as if they were speaking or hearing God? Until God gets the word out unequivocally that it is his word, any action of man, is his alone to bear and God has nothing to do with it.
Otherwise, I expect that you will go to the Utah state prison and petition that Ron and Dan Lafferty be promptly released from prison because they were acting on God's orders when they killed Brenda Lafferty and her young child.
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SteelHead wrote:Photocopier. He died for the lack of a photocopier. God could have just handed Nephi a set of copies, as he gave him a liahona. But it was a test to see if Nephi would murder.
He passed!
It was a test of obedience and faith. What better way to do that than with something one is uncomfortable with? It wouldn't have been much of a trial if the Lord had told Nephi to throw some magic dirt on Laban, which would have made him disappear (unbeknownst to Nephi).
"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21
And it came to pass that I was constrained by the Spirit that I should kill Laban; but I said in my heart: Never at any time have I shed the blood of man. And I shrunk and would that I might not slay him.
I don't see doubt here.
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On your own...I suppose should be the disclaimer. Remember, that command came from G-d. Why do you suppose He must adhere to it Himself? It wasn't meant for Him.
Wow, you don't even have to do anything wrong for God to murder you! He might just do it just to get back at someone else. Why do you worship this fellow?
Death is a wonderful thing. It's horrible to those who do not see, or refuse to accept, the bigger picture.
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"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21
