Laban's death defies logic and reality

[_Drifting]

And God couldn't see that coming?

He did see it coming:

1 Nephi 1:14

"And now, when I, Nephi, had heard these words, I remembered the words of the Lord which he spake unto me in the wilderness, saying that: Inasmuch as thy seed shall keep my commandments, they shall prosper in the land of promise."

2 Nephi 26:9-10

"But the Son of Righteousness shall appear unto them; and he shall heal them, and they shall have peace with him, until three generations shall have passed away, and many of the fourth generation shall have passed away in righteousness.

And when these things have passed away a speedy destruction cometh unto my people; for, notwithstanding the pains of my soul, I have seen it; wherefore, I know that it shall come to pass; and they sell themselves for naught; for, for the reward of their pride and their foolishness they shall reap destruction; for because they yield unto the devil and choose works of darkness rather than light, therefore they must go down to hell."

So, killing Laban served absolutely no purpose.
In fact, because the Lord could foresee the nation dwindling in unbelief, the whole stealing of the plates episode was totally irrelevant to the outcome.

[_Drifting]

I repeat the question above.

Because I have gained a witness from the HG.

John 14:26

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

How could you tell it was the Holy Ghost and not an emissary of Satan pretending to be the Holy Ghost?

[_Gordon]

Err..Holding a passed out person's head up by the hair and chopping off their head with one handed blows is not quick and easy. It would take several strokes, and it would be much more likely to draw attention that simply choking him.

A very strong man (which the Book of Mormon states Nephi was) using a sharp sword would most likely be able to do it in one stroke.

That's right! As we all know, blood simply wipes off. Definitely doesn't leave stains or anything like that. Well known fact. And it certainly doesn't smell. Nope. You have all your facts in order. LOL

Blood wipes off rather easily on metallic surfaces, if not dried...common knowledge. Also, blood smells like iron (because it has iron in it), which is metal (like the armor)...also a common fact.

[_Gordon]

So, killing Laban served absolutely no purpose.
In fact, because the Lord could foresee the nation dwindling in unbelief, the whole stealing of the plates episode was totally irrelevant to the outcome.

I have addressed this numerous times now...

Because Nephi got the Law for his people, generations had the Law for a thousand years (I incorrectly said 800 before), so it served a much needed purpose.

[_Drifting]

Err..Holding a passed out person's head up by the hair and chopping off their head with one handed blows is not quick and easy. It would take several strokes, and it would be much more likely to draw attention that simply choking him.

A very strong man (which the Book of Mormon states Nephi was) using a sharp sword would most likely be able to do it in one stroke.

That's right! As we all know, blood simply wipes off. Definitely doesn't leave stains or anything like that. Well known fact. And it certainly doesn't smell. Nope. You have all your facts in order. LOL

Blood wipes off rather easily on metallic surfaces, if not dried...common knowledge. Also, blood smells like iron (because it has iron in it), which is metal (like the armor)...also a common fact.

To get rid of blood stains from acetate, burlap, fiberglass, rayon, silk or wool, one must treat the stain as soon as possible. It is important that one does not give the blood stain time to set. Use a dampened cloth to sponge the stain with cold water, using light strokes and working outward from the stain's center. This works well if the blood is still wet. In case of any remnant stains, one can apply a wet pad with a few drops of ammonia. However, one should not use ammonia on silk and wool. After this, one should cover the sponged area with an absorbent pad dampened with the ammonia-suffused pad. This poultice needs time to work on the blood stain and one should change it as often as is required. After this, one can flush the area thoroughly with cool water, ensuring the removal of all ammonia.

One can generally do away with blood stains from acrylic, cotton/linen, nylon, polyester or similar fabrics laundering them in cold water. One can soak any remnant stain with a solution consisting of a quart of warm water, half a teaspoon of dishwashing or liquid laundry detergent and a tablespoon of ammonia for fifteen minutes. One should scrape off any excess solid or caked-on stains and blot occasionally with an absorbent pad. Repeat this process as long as it takes to remove the stain. Afterwards, rinse the area well with water, once again ensuring that no ammonia remains. One can then dry or launder the fabric.

To wash off stains from aluminum, asphalt, brass, bronze, ivory or linoleum, one can wipe up the blood stain with a sponge or cloth soaked in cool or warm, soapy water. Then one can dry the area with a clean cloth. To treat the stains on alabaster or marble, one should wipe the blood stain with a sponge dipped in cold water and apply a poultice of water, powdered detergent and chlorine bleach on any remaining stain. One must apply this poultice thickly and cover it with a damp cloth to discourage premature drying.

To get rid of stains from synthetic or woolen carpets, one needs to spray a product such as Stain-X Carpet Stain Remover on the affected area. One can also mix a teaspoon of mild, non-alkali detergent with half a pint of lukewarm water, apply some of this to the stain and blot the liquid. It is important not to rub the stain further into the fibers. The blotting process continues until the stain vanishes. If any stains persist, one can add a tablespoon of ammonia to a cup of water and sponge the stain with this mixture, blotting it afterwards. Placing an absorbent pad over the damp area and weighing it down will draw out all excess liquid.

To remove blood stains from natural or synthetic fur, blot up the blood, soak a cloth in mildly soapy water laced with a few drops of ammonia and rub this solution into the stain carefully. Then rinse by dipping a cloth in cool water, wringing it partially dry and stroking the area with this carefully. The area should dry naturally, with no artificial heat.

[_Gordon]

How could you tell it was the Holy Ghost and not an emissary of Satan pretending to be the Holy Ghost?

Because Satan and/or his angels can't fake the Spirit of G-d, which I cited for you.

[_Gordon]

To wash off stains from aluminum, asphalt, brass, bronze, ivory or linoleum, one can wipe up the blood stain with a sponge or cloth soaked in cool or warm, soapy water.

Yep. And the armor, as well as the night, would have hid the blood stains on the dark colored, most likely wool, garments.

[_SteelHead]

I think it was mithril mail. +2.

[_Sethbag]

So, tell me why again it had to be Laban's copy of the Law? Obviously getting Laban's copy, of all the copies that existed amongst the Israelites at that time, was so important as to justify Laban's cold-blooded murder.

Care to speculate on why that was?

The plates Laban had had the record of Lehi's genealogy, along with the record of the Jews, on them.

So what. That's worth murdering a guy for?

And what kind of Prophet was Lehi that he didn't have a record of his own damn genealogy? Is it really credible to you that Lehi wouldn't have had a record of this on his own? Look at the genealogies in the Old and New Testaments. It's a couple pages of "begats..." Lehi couldn't have, at some point during his lifetime, you know, gone in and made a copy of that information?

But regardless of the excuses for why Lehi didn't have his own genealogical records, so freaking what? Why was this a death sentence for Laban?

Furthermore, I doubt Nephi could have just run to the local Jewish Walmart to buy a copy of the Old Testament, as we can today. You imply every house had a copy of them in their dressers, or something.

Nobody said anything about Walmart. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that there were only a round dozen copies of this material in Jerusalem at the time. That still doesn't obviate my question, which was why it had to be, specifically, Laban's copy?

So, Nephi and his brothers go into Jerusalem, seek and an audience with Laban, and ask him for the records. He tells them to piss off. They go back and get all their family treasure and return to Laban and try to buy it off him. He takes their money and chases them off with his guards. So they go out into the desert and prepare to return to Lehi empty-handed. But no, Nephi knows that God, the creator of the entire universe, is able to get them Laban's copy of those records if only they have enough faith.

At no point do Nephi and the others consider going to some other source for the records. Maybe one of the synagogues has a copy, and they could break in and steal them. That's a lot less immoral than hacking a passed-out guy's head off for it. Maybe another rich guy, Schlomo or Binyamin, or Jehosephat or whoever has a copy they'd be willing to part with for the Lehite fortune. But no, they never, ever even consider it, at all. It's Laban's copy, or they return to Lehi empty-handed.

I think that's very unlikely. Sounds more like a made-up plotline in a story than a record of real people confronting a real problem and finding a real solution to it.

[_Themis]

I repeat the question above.

Because I have gained a witness from the HG.

How do you know it is the HG? Do you know everything the body and mind are capable of producing?