Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

[_SteelHead]

Good has always been used for evil, and evil made to appear good. This does not mean we throw the baby out...

Gordon you already threw the baby out. Or does David's baby born of sin not count?

[_Themis]

Good has always been used for evil, and evil made to appear good. This does not mean we throw the baby out...

This does nothing to help you. You argued it would be good to murder if you think God tells you to. This is the dangerous thinking that gets people killed and raped every year. It's shows that God really is not the one coming up with this crap. I think God would easily see the problem with promoting this kind of thinking.

You seem to want proof that I know the HG is speaking to me, versus something else.

Not proof, but how you go about deciding what is from the HG and how you think you get the right interpretation. What methodologies you use, etc.

Well, prove to me you love. You can't, but you know that you do.]

Love what or who? People prove it all the time. Evidence abounds. My parents have shown a lot of evidence to each other and those around them that they love each other.

Unless, you're sticking with your stance that you can't absolutely know, for yourself, that you are, indeed, in love...in that case, my previous remarks stand.

You can absolutely here since all you have to do is understand how it is being defined, which is a feeling, and whether your feelings fit the definition you are working with. Why not try some more objective truth examples.

[_Gordon]

Pious Muslims picking up boulders to stone a blasphemer are doing so believing that an all-knowing, just and moral God has condoned their actions. Can you not see that It isn't God revealing his will, but humans projecting their desires outward and claiming God?

I most assuredly can see that. However, that doesn't negate the fact that G-d does allow/command the killing of people. Just because one person is in error, doesn't automatically mean another is.

That is why Mormons are often viewed as insufferable rubes; because they are so close minded as to think only they can be right concerning God, and everyone else wrong. Is the Muslim wrong? You think so and have said as much, but you cannot prove they are wrong because you are using subjective criteria. An outsider can see that you and the Muslim are the same in your methodology and that is is fundamentally flawed.

LDS don't think they are the only ones who are right...that's merely your false assertion. An outsider may think both parties are wrong, but that doesn't make it so. I don't have to prove they are wrong, nor that I'm right...that's not my job. Just because Frank goes around telling people he's John, doesn't mean that John isn't really John.

You can seek the truth, but the truth does not lie in behaviors or actions, it lies in awareness. Neither God nor truth needs you or Nephi to do anything for it. It already is.

No, but some truth requires action.

Evil deeds?. I haven't used God as a rationale to harm or hurt anybody.

Yes, Joseph Smith created a hollywood like narrative plot, setting up a "wicked" laban that the readers would nod in agreement when Nephi lopped off his head, but is that really God, or a human sense of justice at work?

Gordon, truth is more than a book. It is more than words, it is more than scripture. The latter point to the truth, but do not contain the truth. Truth transcends them all. Are you saying that God is so impotent that he could not use any of the Book of Mormon prophets to teach those truths anew? For LDS, God apparently did so with Joseph Smith and the "revelations" found in the D&C. No one even had to die for those, no money paid for papyrus or gold plates to pretend existed, and they contain far more meaty doctrine and teachings than the Book of Mormon.

The truth is, that G-d proves us. You speak of truth, but it's there whether you agree with it or not.

[_Gordon]

In regards to saving Laban by handing Nephi a copy of the plates, something well within the power and modus operandi attributed to god in the Book of Mormon.

So Laban had to die so that Nephi's faith could be tested... Seems a little cavalier with Laban's life. Which was probably important to him, if no one else.

The ending of one life (along with a test of Nephi's faith), which is evil, for the better of the rest (the secular world does it all the time), is hardly being cavalier with others' lives.

Very cavalier about the life of this child.

Seeing that a child's situation is better with G-d than among evil is hardly cavalier.

Some what cavalier about the lives of your own children, but also tongue in cheek.

Yes, tongue in cheek...but I still want the best for them.

Look forward to the end of this miserable life. Very cavalier about your own life, but hey it is yours to squander.

I look forward to better things.

Am I seeing a pattern?

Yes, Satan rules here, and I am aware of this fact.

[_Gordon]

Gordon you already threw the baby out. Or does David's baby born of sin not count?

Ah...contorting a point to get a jab in. Well done.

[_Gordon]

This does nothing to help you. You argued it would be good to murder if you think God tells you to. This is the dangerous thinking that gets people killed and raped every year. It's shows that God really is not the one coming up with this crap. I think God would easily see the problem with promoting this kind of thinking.

You're simply repeating yourself while ignoring the point which addresses it...all the while soley replying 'this does nothing for you'.

Not proof, but how you go about deciding what is from the HG and how you think you get the right interpretation. What methodologies you use, etc.

D&C 9:8-9

"But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.

But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong;"

Love what or who? People prove it all the time. Evidence abounds. My parents have shown a lot of evidence to each other and those around them that they love each other.

I haven't seen such evidence. What if they are no longer alive? How will you prove to me their love for each other?

You can absolutely here since all you have to do is understand how it is being defined, which is a feeling, and whether your feelings fit the definition you are working with. Why not try some more objective truth examples.

How do you know those feeling are real? Are these universal definitions, or individual?

[_Stormy Waters]

By that, I can know if the actions of another individual are from the Lord or not, because that spirit comes from Him.

It's like being able to read another's mind.

That ability sure would have come in handy in the cases of John Bennett, Mark Hoffman, or Paul Dunn.

I'm sure it would have.

However, some just might not have been paying attention...

So in the case of Mark Hoffman, they had the ability to catch him with their mind reading powers, but weren't paying attention.
I guess that those not paying attention include the lord.

Again, let my servant John C. Bennett help you in your labor in sending my word to the kings and people of the earth, and stand by you, even you my servant Joseph Smith, in the hour of affliction; and his reward shall not fail if he receive acounsel. And for his love he shall be great, for he shall be mine if he do this, saith the Lord. I have seen the work which he hath done, which I accept if he continue, and will crown him with blessings and great glory. (D&C 124:16–17.)

[_Drifting]

Gordon -

Are there two Gods? Are there two Holy Ghosts? How can you get an anwer from God or the HG, while I get the opposite from God or the Holy Ghost?

Are there tens of thousands of God's and tens of thousands of different Holy Ghosts that we all are getting different answers?

The Lord does not give differing answers. Only Man comes to differing conclusions. There is only one right answer...whether you like it or not. Either I'm wrong, or you are. We can both be wrong, but both can't be right.

a. Thou shalt not covet
b. Thou shalt covet the brass plates

a. Thou shalt not kill
b. Thou shalt kill Laban

a. Thou shalt not steal
b. Thou shalt steal the plates

a. Thou shalt be polygamous
b. Thou shalt not be polygamous

a. Thou shalt not give black people the Priesthood
b. Thou shalt give black people the Priesthood

a. Jesus will be born in Jerusalem
b. Jesus will be born in Bethlehem

a. There is but one God
b. There are lots of Gods and you can be one too

and on...
and on...

[_ludwigm]

What is this G-d thing all about?

Is writing God or god a blashphemy?

Or a new principle revealed by President Newsroom?

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