Laban's death defies logic and reality

[_Gordon]

Do you mean that your whole body feels hot inside? Is that what you describe as "consumes my whole body...a burning within?"

Not heat. More like Vapor Rub from the inside, that starts small and spreads. My mind is clear, though.

It's not always like that, though.

[_Drifting]

Do you mean that your whole body feels hot inside? Is that what you describe as "consumes my whole body...a burning within?"

Not heat. More like Vapor Rub from the inside, that starts small and spreads. My mind is clear, though.

It's not always like that, though.

I've had a feeling such as this one that you describe.
It was when I had decided that the Church wasn't true. I got down on my knee's prayed to know if my decision was correct and was rewarded by a feeling 'like Vapor Rub from the inside, that start{ed} small and spread.'
(I'm not kidding either)

[_just me]

I would describe what I've felt like a warmth spreading through my body. Often accompanied by a full heart feeling. Although it has also been accompanied by the fear/adrenal response before.

Or sometimes just words coming to my mind.

[_Themis]

Or climb out of the ditch and go make something happen.

Well, according to Themis, how would I know that what I 'made happen' was actually happening?

That was never the question, but how you know the experiences source, and the meaning you attach to it is correct?

[_Gordon]

I've had a feeling such as this one that you describe.
It was when I had decided that the Church wasn't true. I got down on my knee's prayed to know if my decision was correct and was rewarded by a feeling 'like Vapor Rub from the inside, that start{ed} small and spread.'
(I'm not kidding either)

Oh, I believe you, but I don't think I'm doing a good job of explaining.

I've had experiences where one feels warm (more like a heat patch, but not hot), while the other is cold (more like the vapor rub). I used the Vapor Rub to try to describe the distinct warmth/burning, but not being hot. Like just me described, it's a comforting feeling. The other, as you describe (which I have had too), comes with an empty feeling. They are similar in ways, but distinct.

[_Gordon]

I would describe what I've felt like a warmth spreading through my body. Often accompanied by a full heart feeling. Although it has also been accompanied by the fear/adrenal response before.

Or sometimes just words coming to my mind.

Yes, I've had those, too.

[_Themis]

Can you articulate the specific differences in what you feel that separate the two experiences?

I can try.

When I get misty-eyed at a tearjerker, I think the feeling is something we all have felt. It makes me sad, or my heart skips a beat, and sometimes it's difficult to breath. When I hear the anthem being played, and watch a gold medal winning athlete on the podium, the back of my neck gets prickly, and I get all misty-eyed. However, when I have gotten a witness (usually without even asking for it, and at unexpected times), it consumes my whole body...a burning within, which I have never felt at any of the incidents mentioned. Some my claim this to be a hallucination, or a trick of the mind, but I have experienced those as well, and they are different (usually when fear is a factor, and the related emotions/feelings).

You are describing experiences that are not as common, but do happen. How do you determine it's source? Hallucinations is only one possibility for some of the things that happen to us. The feelings you describe are probably not hallucinations. Also I agree that they can come at unexpected times, but when they do why go with a particular interpretation? If I am sitting on my couch, and this happens, not thinking about anything religious, I probably will not create any religious interpretations, but many will. I also still wonder if the body is fully capable of producing the experience.

[_Gordon]

That was never the question, but how you know the experiences source, and the meaning you attach to it is correct?

Because they are different and distinct from most of my personal experiences, and I can associate them with universally observable occurrences/actions.

[_Themis]

Oh, I believe you, but I don't think I'm doing a good job of explaining.

I've had experiences where one feels warm (more like a heat patch, but not hot), while the other is cold (more like the vapor rub). I used the Vapor Rub to try to describe the distinct warmth/burning, but not being hot. Like just me described, it's a comforting feeling. The other, as you describe (which I have had too), comes with an empty feeling. They are similar in ways, but distinct.

Can internal feelings not come in all types and intensities? Many of which we have yet to experience.

[_Gordon]

You are describing experiences that are not as common, but do happen. How do you determine it's source? Hallucinations is only one possibility for some of the things that happen to us. The feelings you describe are probably not hallucinations. Also I agree that they can come at unexpected times, but when they do why go with a particular interpretation? If I am sitting on my couch, and this happens, not thinking about anything religious, I probably will not create any religious interpretations, but many will. I also still wonder if the body is fully capable of producing the experience.

I ascribe them to a specific source, because they have always occurred during incidents regarding religious matters (intended or not). They don't happen when I'm just sitting there eating a hoggie thinking about fixing my clutch cable.