Laban's death defies logic and reality

[_just me]

I also still wonder if the body is fully capable of producing the experience.

Themis, I am not sure I understand this. Are you saying that you don't think the body is capable? If not produced by the body, what do you think is producing it?

[_Gordon]

Can internal feelings not come in all types and intensities? Many of which we have yet to experience.

I'm sure they can. However, what are the odds, that an overwhelming minority (an oxymoron...?) has these same rare intense feelings associated with one particular aspect of life?

[_just me]

Can internal feelings not come in all types and intensities? Many of which we have yet to experience.

I'm sure they can. However, what are the odds, that an overwhelming minority (an oxymoron...?) has these same rare intense feelings associated with one particular aspect of life?

Actually, I think it is more interesting to note that these types of feelings occur across all religions and cultures.
Makes the odds pretty much in favor of a biological answer.

[_Themis]

Can internal feelings not come in all types and intensities? Many of which we have yet to experience.

I'm sure they can. However, what are the odds, that an overwhelming minority (an oxymoron...?) has these same rare intense feelings associated with one particular aspect of life?

I would say quite good. Spiritual type of activities tend to be very good ways to produce unusual experiences. I would also say from my experience they are more common in some other groups then with LDS in general.

[_Gordon]

Actually, I think it is more interesting to note that these types of feelings occur across all religions and cultures.
Makes the odds pretty much in favor of a biological answer.

While such experiences (witnesses) are definitely not exclusive to the LDS, in my experience, the majority of other religious adherents do not claim them.

[_Gordon]

I would say quite good. Spiritual type of activities tend to be very good ways to produce unusual experiences.

Yes, but of different forms from what I mentioned.

I would also say from my experience they are more common in some other groups then with LDS in general.

Sure, of the differing kind (people being so overcome with emotion that their eyes roll back, they faint, or start shouting in jibberish).

[_Racer]

Can internal feelings not come in all types and intensities? Many of which we have yet to experience.

I'm sure they can. However, what are the odds, that an overwhelming minority (an oxymoron...?) has these same rare intense feelings associated with one particular aspect of life?

The odds are actually pretty high that an overwhelming majority and or minority of people have had the same intense feelings about something. For example, an overwhelming majority of Germans felt instense feelings about Jews and what to do with them. An overwhelming minority of educated wealthy folks had intense feelings about investing their money with Madoff. An overwhelming minority of folks have gravitated to Scientology and have intense feelings about L. Ron Hubbard's writings and feel there are invisible spirits called Thetans that are invading our bodies. An overwhelming majority of children have very strong and intense feelings about Santa. None of this adds crediblity.

So to follow up, what makes one group's rare and intense feelings about a particular aspect of life more valid or truthful than another group's rare and intense feeling associated with one particular aspect of life?

[_Themis]

I would say quite good. Spiritual type of activities tend to be very good ways to produce unusual experiences.

Yes, but of different forms from what I mentioned.

LDS spiritual experience comes in many forms, as do those in other religions, and those who are not religious.

Sure, of the differing kind (people being so overcome with emotion that their eyes roll back, they faint, or start shouting in jibberish).

I always enjoyed going to those ones, but they really represent only a small minority of religions or religious people. Many Christian groups are actually similar to the LDS church in how they act, and the kind of spiritual experiences they have. They tend to talk about them differently for a number of reasons. Buddhists don't seem to the "overcome with emotion that their eyes roll back, they faint, or start shouting in jibberish" type.

[_just me]

Actually, I think it is more interesting to note that these types of feelings occur across all religions and cultures.
Makes the odds pretty much in favor of a biological answer.

While such experiences (witnesses) are definitely not exclusive to the LDS, in my experience, the majority of other religious adherents do not claim them.

They do not claim them as proof of truth claims like LDS have been taught to do.

[_krose]

I would also say from my experience they are more common in some other groups then with LDS in general.

Sure, of the differing kind (people being so overcome with emotion that their eyes roll back, they faint, or start shouting in jibberish).

Speaking in tongues and the other activities you mention were very common in early LDS gatherings.