Ward Loses 100% of its Priest Quorum to Apostasy

[_DarkHelmet]

LOL. No. We didn't use it. I did exaggerate that. But the manuals still have old cringe worthy quotes from generations ago. The problem is the church desperately needs some new material, but since the church is true, and the lessons and youth programs were inspired, the reason the youth are leaving is because of satan.

In a way, yes. If one is a Mormon youth, that person is expected to follow church teachings: no alcohol, no sex, dress modestly, be an example etc. Not easy at all for many youth who want to experience the wild side. Churches should not be about entertainment. Rather, churches should give good guidance in how to do life and bring that person closer to god. The LDS church does a good job in doing this for its youth. But it is not easy for a young person nor for an adult.

My satan reply was a joke. This is what you are conditioned to believe. Do really think kids leave the church because they can't drink, have sex, or dress immodestly? Do you think the non-mormon kids that do these things have the full support of their teachers, parents, and other non-mormon adult leaders, or do you think they are rebelling? You might find this hard to believe but a lot of Mormon kids do these things as teenagers, then grow up and become responsible adults, just like non-mormon kids. The kids who leave the Mormon church aren't the party animals that want to experience the wild side. The kids who leave for good are the ones who are bored out of their mind and roll their eyes when their teacher talks about Adam and Eve as the first humans on earth, they don't understand why a non-white shirt makes a person unworthy to pass the sacrament, and they hate camping. In other words, the kids who get nothing out of Mormonism will stop going when their parents stop dragging them there.

[_bcspace]

What's the new format? There were singles wards when I was 18, but no one wanted to go to them.

Those usually catered to college students though some Stake Pres's tried to encourage them for all the young single adults in their Stakes. Now one's record is automatically transferred to these new wards (college or not) when one turns 18 and more resources and emphasis on leadership is being placed on them. Besides the obvious monetary investment, the best people are being called to serve in leadership. They are being more carefully monitored and changes are being made quickly if there isn't something close to 100% visitation and invitation etc.

The Church knows that serving missions and temple marriage afterwards, especially for men, is the key to long term activity and it also recognizes that is exactly were the adversary is concentrating his attack. There has indeed been too many young men not serving and too many remaining single even when they do serve. Over the last several years, the percentage of those serving has surged to levels not seen in several decades in these Areas.

The youth have generally been pretty excited about them based on what I've heard which includes two daughters and one son who been through them so far.

by the way, I checked and I think the Utah North Area was actually third, not second.

[_why me]

What's the new format? There were singles wards when I was 18, but no one wanted to go to them.

Really? I would think that young men and women would want to be with each other, checking each other out and doing things together. Much better than being with old fogeys and married couples.

[_madeleine]

What's the new format? There were singles wards when I was 18, but no one wanted to go to them.

Those usually catered to college students though some Stake Pres's tried to encourage them for all the young single adults in their Stakes. Now one's record is automatically transferred to these new wards (college or not) when one turns 18 and more resources and emphasis on leadership is being placed on them. Besides the obvious monetary investment, the best people are being called to serve in leadership. They are being more carefully monitored and changes are being made quickly if there isn't something close to 100% visitation and invitation etc.

The Church knows that serving missions and temple marriage afterwards, especially for men, is the key to long term activity and it also recognizes that is exactly were the adversary is concentrating his attack. There has indeed been too many young men not serving and too many remaining single even when they do serve. Over the last several years, the percentage of those serving has surged to levels not seen in several decades in these Areas.

The youth have generally been pretty excited about them based on what I've heard which includes two daughters and one son who been through them so far.

by the way, I checked and I think the Utah North Area was actually third, not second.

Thanks for the explanation. There were 18 year olds in my ward, wayyyy back when, who wanted to switch to a singles ward. They weren't allowed to do so. We were put in the gospel doctrine and relief society of the ward we were in. I have to say, the stuff being taught in those courses was cuckoo. I was done.

I don't know what your last sentence is referring to, or means.

[_moksha]

I was just thinking what an extraordinary thing it would be to have the narratives of this cohort group of 18 (no names please to protect the innocent) spiritual odyssey, given in a paper or presentation. If it is factual, then at Sunstone or the Dialogue, if it is faith-promoting then at FAIR or the the Ensign.

[_why me]

No...you are wrong....these values are not unique to Mormonism and anyone can/could have achieved them without Mormonism...irrespective of my personal Mormon experience.

But it helped. And there is no assurance that the end result would be the same if you didn't have the Mormon influence. One must give credit when credit is due.

[_why me]

Thanks for the explanation. There were 18 year olds in my ward, wayyyy back when, who wanted to switch to a singles ward. They weren't allowed to do so. We were put in the gospel doctrine and relief society of the ward we were in. I have to say, the stuff being taught in those courses was cuckoo. I was done.

What was cuckoo? All religious doctrine can be cuckoo if one doesn't agree with it.

[_Drifting]

I was just thinking what an extraordinary thing it would be to have the narratives of this cohort group of 18 (no names please to protect the innocent) spiritual odyssey, given in a paper or presentation. If it is factual, then at Sunstone or the Dialogue, if it is faith-promoting then at FAIR or the the Ensign.

They could post them on their profiles at www.I'mnotaMormon.org

[Guest]

I was just thinking what an extraordinary thing it would be to have the narratives of this cohort group of 18 (no names please to protect the innocent) spiritual odyssey, given in a paper or presentation. If it is factual, then at Sunstone or the Dialogue, if it is faith-promoting then at FAIR or the the Ensign.

Some might just make up their story and follow the standard exmormon blueprint: I discovered Joseph Smith was a polygamist; I discovered MMM; I believe in same sex marriage; The church is not what it claims to be; etc.

When in reality they just may be lazy, don't care or lost interest.

[_Drifting]

I was just thinking what an extraordinary thing it would be to have the narratives of this cohort group of 18 (no names please to protect the innocent) spiritual odyssey, given in a paper or presentation. If it is factual, then at Sunstone or the Dialogue, if it is faith-promoting then at FAIR or the the Ensign.

Some might just make up their story and follow the standard exmormon blueprint: I discovered Joseph Smith was a polygamist; I discovered MMM; I believe in same sex marriage; The church is not what it claims to be; etc.

When he reality they just may be lazy, don't care or lost interest.

Why Me, an angel with a flaming sword told them to leave the Church.
That's more believable, right?