Things I always had nagging questions about

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son of Ishmael wrote:Really great questions, especially #5. If you take 14 million members and divide that by the 6 billion people on earth, the LDS church is only .02% of the world’s population and that is total membership. You would think that God’s one and only true church would do a little better than that.

Not only that, but why do people in other churches with lesser "truths" act as nobly or more nobly than do Mormons? It is almost as if their lives, faith and religious beliefs are making them too happy and fulfilled and they need to adopt Mormonism to make them miserable, because after-all, Mormonism is about suffering through this life with all sorts of trials and tribulations.
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My questions were more basic, along these lines:

1. Why is there not more evidence for the god I was taught exists? Why does he hide so thoroughly?

2. Why did this god not answer my prayers for confirmation of the 'testimony' that I sought, no matter how hard I tried or how stringently I followed all the rules, while others appeared to get the answers?

3. If mine is the only truth, why are good-hearted believers of other (even non-Christian) religions just as convinced that their way is right?

4. Why does all the physical evidence point to an ancient earth, and all species evolving through natural selection? And why do all the sciences confirm that, whether it is biology, geology, astronomy, archaeology, or linguistics?

Due to the nature of my most important questions, I became agnostic. After that, I started to cast a critical eye toward Mormonism specifically, which led to things I never knew about, such as the Book of Abraham, Book of Mormon archaeology/apologetics, and shady history. It all fell apart rather quickly.
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Re: Things I always had nagging questions about

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Jason Bourne wrote:7: I am told to pray about the truth of what the prophet says. What happens if I get a different answer than what he teaches.


I suppose the answer is that you are supposed to keep praying until you get the right answer. But basically it amounts to you aren't supposed to disagree with the prophet.
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How many times, Jason, have I preached the gospel on these pages. What happens? You never clue into the fact that the mismanaged LDS Church is a spiritual catastrophe?

The reason Christ atones is so that he can conceive us his seed. This is how he can become one with us. That is the goal. And as somebody already said, this is how he gets a little bit of his godliness into our hearts and how we are sanctified and furnished with as much as we are able to receive in time and are taught of God from the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost onward.

We could be a spotless a Job as far as sin goes and we would STILL need to come unto Christ and be born of him and take his name upon us. Whatsoever is not of him and by him is shaken and destroyed and cannot continue when he perfects his kingdom. That is simply the mechanics of eternity to keep the ball rolling.

This is the restored gospel. Joseph Smith taught it in the King Follett discourse at the end of his days. It is what he restored and he knew it but the GENTILES would never take it to heart.

God does not make himself overtly obvious because the fine work of godliness is of the heart and not by observation. If it was popular and easily understood and taken by everyone it would have no strength and the kingdom of God would collapse.

If it takes combing through the overburden of ten billions to find one jewel all the more reason to comb through 20 billions. You got to wonder why at heart though. I have had to wonder how everyone misses the entire point. Why?

You evolution guys need to really step back and think it through from as many angles as you can. Like consider salt. How so? From whence? Every form of life is dependent upon it. Why is it here to begin with.
Salt......and then what? Carbon. A byproduct of life. A building block of life. So how did we come by it before there was life? Come on think.

If these are stupid questions just saying so will not cut it. Evolution IS magical thinking.
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Very good questions. I'll add another:

Why does every scrap of any translation evidence that does exist show that Joseph couldn't translate ancient languages:

Book of Abraham facsimiles
Book of Abraham papyri
Joseph Smith's Book of Egyptian Alphabet & Grammar
Kinderhook Plates
Anthon Manuscript
Greek Psalter
Joseph Smith New Translation of the Bible
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Mooseman wrote:
Salt......and then what? Carbon. A byproduct of life. A building block of life. So how did we come by it before there was life? Come on think.

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Carbon is not a byproduct of life. It was created by nucleosynthesis in stars. Specifically it is produced by the triple-alpha process in all stars.

Please stop telling us to think while in the same breath that you display your massive ignorance! (Your post had other silliness as well)

Evolution is not about abiogenesis by the way. But if you want to change the subject, then we could talk about that too. Evolution is a fact. Abiogenesis is another topic and we don't know exactly what happened. However, there are quite a few chemical pathways and scenarios that no one should have problems with plausibility.

Again, you are the one who needs to think but also try thinking after you learn a few basic things.
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krose wrote:My questions were more basic, along these lines:

1. Why is there not more evidence for the god I was taught exists? Why does he hide so thoroughly?

2. Why did this god not answer my prayers for confirmation of the 'testimony' that I sought, no matter how hard I tried or how stringently I followed all the rules, while others appeared to get the answers?

3. If mine is the only truth, why are good-hearted believers of other (even non-Christian) religions just as convinced that their way is right?

4. Why does all the physical evidence point to an ancient earth, and all species evolving through natural selection? And why do all the sciences confirm that, whether it is biology, geology, astronomy, archaeology, or linguistics?

Due to the nature of my most important questions, I became agnostic. After that, I started to cast a critical eye toward Mormonism specifically, which led to things I never knew about, such as the Book of Abraham, Book of Mormon archaeology/apologetics, and shady history. It all fell apart rather quickly.



My questions are evolving along these lines currently.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
krose wrote:My questions were more basic, along these lines:

1. Why is there not more evidence for the god I was taught exists? Why does he hide so thoroughly?

2. Why did this god not answer my prayers for confirmation of the 'testimony' that I sought, no matter how hard I tried or how stringently I followed all the rules, while others appeared to get the answers?

3. If mine is the only truth, why are good-hearted believers of other (even non-Christian) religions just as convinced that their way is right?

4. Why does all the physical evidence point to an ancient earth, and all species evolving through natural selection? And why do all the sciences confirm that, whether it is biology, geology, astronomy, archaeology, or linguistics?

Due to the nature of my most important questions, I became agnostic. After that, I started to cast a critical eye toward Mormonism specifically, which led to things I never knew about, such as the Book of Abraham, Book of Mormon archaeology/apologetics, and shady history. It all fell apart rather quickly.



My questions are evolving along these lines currently.


Yup.
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Tarski wrote:
Mooseman wrote:
Salt......and then what? Carbon. A byproduct of life. A building block of life. So how did we come by it before there was life? Come on think.

.


Carbon is not a byproduct of life. It was created by nucleosynthesis in stars. Specifically it is produced by the triple-alpha process in all stars.

Please stop telling us to think while in the same breath that you display your massive ignorance! (Your post had other silliness as well)

Evolution is not about abiogenesis by the way. But if you want to change the subject, then we could talk about that too. Evolution is a fact. Abiogenesis is another topic and we don't know exactly what happened. However, there are quite a few chemical pathways and scenarios that no one should have problems with plausibility.

Again, you are the one who needs to think but also try thinking after you learn a few basic things.

That's cute being scolded about thinking by someone who accepts whatever comes down the pipe.
We know carbon comes from stars. This has been observed repeatedly. Proof is just because it's there and stars are the only possibility. The sun has been producing carbon by the triple-alpha process for billions and billions of years and suddenly stopped because we have enough now already. I said enough already. Will you just stop!


A species will adapt and you can call that evolution. But you cannot tie such a thing all the way back to stitch anything together but magical thinking. And now you have sliced off bio-genesis. Nifty for you.
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My nagging questions always were

why would drinking a Coca Cola scare off the Holy Ghost? Seriously, it was.

why would someone teach me that my Navajo friend was a cursed Lamanite? I was certain she wasn't cursed any more than myself. I felt like I had to stick up for her and say, "no".
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