"Don't Ask, Don't Tell"--The First Law of Mormonism

[_3sheets2thewind]

I had a similar conversation yesterday while I should have been in Nursey, we talked about how people have questions but are afraid to ask because of the "labels" associated with simply asking a question.

[_consiglieri]

I had a similar conversation yesterday while I should have been in Nursey, we talked about how people have questions but are afraid to ask because of the "labels" associated with simply asking a question.

Now "prideful" can be added to "apostate."

[_consiglieri]

I am not sure that I do know anymore Consig. In terms of "unique doctrines," I don’t know that we teach them. I don’t know that we emphasize them. I haven’t heard any of them discussed for a long time in public discourse . . . other than the Book of Mormon musical song "I Believe."

Good point.

How convenient for the Church to delete any mention of its unique doctrines in its meetings and then hide behind its self-erected wall of not teaching them.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Tobin]

I am not sure that I do know anymore Consig. In terms of "unique doctrines," I don’t know that we teach them. I don’t know that we emphasize them. I haven’t heard any of them discussed for a long time in public discourse . . . other than the Book of Mormon musical song "I Believe."

Good point.

How convenient for the Church to delete any mention of its unique doctrines in its meetings and then hide behind its self-erected wall of not teaching them.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I'd give them room to change Consig. The Church is a man-made organization and I think some of the leaders recognize that some of the prior doctrines and teachings of the Church have not been in harmony with the gospel. This is their way of dealing with that. I too wish they'd confront these issues and reject them, but I understand some people aren't able to get their minds around doing that when they are encumbered with preconceptions about who and what the Church really is.

[_Bob Loblaw]

I'd give them room to change Consig. The Church is a man-made organization and I think some of the leaders recognize that some of the prior doctrines and teachings of the Church have not been in harmony with the gospel. This is their way of dealing with that. I too wish they'd confront these issues and reject them, but I understand some people aren't able to get their minds around doing that when they are encumbered with preconceptions about who and what the Church really is.

That's awesome: the doctrines that make Mormonism unique are "not in harmony with the gospel." God is an exalted man? Forget it. We have the potential to become Gods? Never heard of it.

After you get rid of everything interesting about Mormonism, what's left? White shirts and ties? It's one thing to watch correlation suck the life out of the church, but it's another thing to see a nominal member stand on the sidelines and cheer as they do it.

[Guest]

I'd give them room to change Consig. The Church is a man-made organization and I think some of the leaders recognize that some of the prior doctrines and teachings of the Church have not been in harmony with the gospel. This is their way of dealing with that. I too wish they'd confront these issues and reject them, but I understand some people aren't able to get their minds around doing that when they are encumbered with preconceptions about who and what the Church really is.

That's awesome: the doctrines that make Mormonism unique are "not in harmony with the gospel." God is an exalted man? Forget it. We have the potential to become Gods? Never heard of it.

After you get rid of everything interesting about Mormonism, what's left? White shirts and ties? It's one thing to watch correlation suck the life out of the church, but it's another thing to see a nominal member stand on the sidelines and cheer as they do it.

I'd rather they stick to the truth. I don't think uniqueness implies truthfulness at all. In fact, the truth often is rather common and obvious. So - yes - the sooner Mormons dispose of idiotic ideas like 'God is an exalted man' and 'men can become God' the happier some of us will be. I'd much rather have an organization dedicated to truth, acceptance of all people, and genuinely interested in the welfare and betterment of mankind. I'd also like to see it move away from the staid, antiseptic, uninspired, corporate Church it has become and be some place where the spirit is obviously present and the gifts of the Spirit are obvious to all. Mormonism can NEVER be true without a real God doing real things and being obvious in our lives. If the scriptures and all the doctrines of the Church are true, these things must be manifest today or they are all a fraud and a hoax.

[_Bob Loblaw]

I'd rather they stick to the truth. I don't think uniqueness implies truthfulness at all. In fact, the truth often is rather common and obvious. So - yes - the sooner Mormons dispose of idiotic ideas like 'God is an exalted man' and 'men can become God' the happier some of us will be.

So, basically, you are asking for major revisions of the Doctrine and Covenants. Cool.

I'd much rather have an organization dedicated to truth, acceptance of all people, and genuinely interested in the welfare and betterment of mankind.

You realize we're talking about the LDS church, right? What you're describing is the antithesis of Mormonism.

I'd also like to see it move away from the staid, anticeptic, uninspired, corporate Church it has become and be some place where the spirit is obviously present and the gifts of the Spirit are obvious to all. Mormonism can NEVER be true without a real God doing real things and being obvious in our lives. If the scriptures and all the doctrines of the Church are true, these things must be manifest today or they are all a fraud and a hoax.

in my opinion, getting rid of the uniquely Mormon doctrines of deification and such would do more to make the church even more sterile and corporate. Like it or not, what Joseph Smith revealed is the heart of the church, no matter whether you think those revelations are idiotic. I happen to agree with you, but if you had your way, the church would die an ignominious death--probably due to boredom.

[_Shulem]

Can you do me a favor and not quote why me? I've enjoyed not having to read his condescending and often nasty (and creepy)

I second that. I can't stand reading a single sentence from why me. Hell. I'd rather go scrub the shower or some other unpleasant task than read the garbage that comes out of why me's pea/pee size brain.

Paul O

[_consiglieri]

After you get rid of everything interesting about Mormonism, what's left? White shirts and ties? It's one thing to watch correlation suck the life out of the church, but it's another thing to see a nominal member stand on the sidelines and cheer as they do it.

Though I have said it before, it bears repeating that the most atrocious thing about this whole slide into the vanilla sea is making the most interesting thing in the world the most banal.


All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Bob Loblaw]

[Though I have said it before, it bears repeating that the most atrocious thing about this whole slide into the vanilla sea is making the most interesting thing in the world the most banal.

Whatever you think of Mormonism's truth claims it presents one of the few radical reinterpretations of Christianity that has succeeded. Until Joseph Smith Christians had believed that there was a fundamental difference between creator and created. Smith smashed the wall between God and man, making one the apprentice to the master who could eventually become the master. Now Tobin wants to go back to Protestantism it seems. Bah.