Mr Diety: Mormonism is racism

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Re: Mr Diety: Mormonism is racism

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Droopy wrote:
As described in the post above, BC failed to demonstrate a grasp of basic logic in his statement and thus deserves no credibility regarding his claim. This happens quite often with BC, and he is therefore not to be taken seriously.


What it does demonstrate is apparent reading comprehension problems on your part.

bc did not say that "all Democrats are racist." He said that the Democratic party is a racist institution (which is patently demonstrable). This is what he actually said:

The organization that is racism is the Democratic Party. And since it's not possible for a good Mormon to be a Democrat, it is also not possible for a good Mormon to be racist.


Hence, if you want to put this argument in standard form, it would be:

The Democratic party is racist.
No faithful Mormon can be a Democrat.
Therefore, no good Mormon can be a racist.

If the first proposition is assumed to be true, and if the second proposition is assumed to be true, then the conclusion does not follow from the first two premises. It is not a valid deductive argument. Now, if bc had said what you ascribed to him, which was that all Democrats, not just the party (which leaves open the possibility that any number of individual Democrats are not racists) are racists. Then you would have:

All Democrats are racist.
No faithful Mormon can be a Democrat.
Therefore, no good Mormon can be a racist.

This is still not a valid deductive argument, as the premises still don't follow necessarily from the conclusion (just because a Mormon is not a Democrat, doesn't mean that he's not a racist).

There are a number of very good reasons why no good, faithful Mormon could ever be a racist (doctrinal reasons), but simply not being a Democrat is not one of them (there are a plethora of other reasons why active support and participation within that party would be spiritually and doctrinally problematic).

I'll have to call bc on this one as a matter of formal logic, but I understand what he was trying to say. Basically, it boils down to this: the core of the Democratic party's politics and political ideology is class war and identity politics. Identity politics is a central aspect of the party's hold on power and its divide and rule strategy between ethnic and racial groups and between legal and illegal residents. No LDS who understands and takes his Church seriously could be a part of such an institution.

One of the reasons I am no longer a Republican is precisely because that party has become, itself, too unprincipled for me to remain officially associated with.


Droopy,

I was trying to help BC out with the wording of his first premise, so that his syllogism could be analyzed as to its validity. I simply stated what BC had implied by his first premise.

Since you ended up agreeing with me that BC has a problem with logic, why did you even post this?

You went to all that trouble and didn't even bother to try to defend the blatantly racist Book of Mormon.

You just stated that a good Mormon could not be racist for a number of reasons.

You failed to name even one.
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Re: Mr Diety: Mormonism is racism

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bcspace wrote:The organization that is racism is the Democratic Party. And since it's not possible for a good Mormon to be a Democrat, it is also not possible for a good Mormon to be racist.


If you're going to troll a thread could you at least deal with the thread topic in some way? Instead of this political BS?

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Re: Mr Diety: Mormonism is racism

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Since you ended up agreeing with me that BC has a problem with logic, why did you even post this?


Because you clearly misrepresented what he actually said (his first premise).

You went to all that trouble and didn't even bother to try to defend the blatantly racist Book of Mormon.


You've also clearly never bothered to read that book, as this statement makes quite apparent.

You just stated that a good Mormon could not be racist for a number of reasons.

You failed to name even one.


1. Racism is utterly incompatible with the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the core doctrines of the Church.

2. God is no respecter of persons, and anything denied any of his children, through no fault of their own in mortality, when they would have received it had it been available, will be available in perfection in eternity.

3. The Book of Mormon itself is crystal clear that feelings of superiority to others because of skin color is wicked, and that one's spiritual state is determined by one's keeping of the commandments.

4. The modern secular Left's ideology of anti-racism is actually racism, in both theory and practice, and anything contrasted to this will be made to appear "racist" no matter how colorblind or fair-minded one actually is.
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Re: Mr Diety: Mormonism is racism

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If you're going to troll a thread could you at least deal with the thread topic in some way? Instead of this political b***s***?


There's no b.s. about it. Affirmative Action, at least since its full blossoming in the seventies, is nothing more than a politically and legally sanctioned and supported racial spoils system. It is institutional, legally enforced racial priveledge.

Multiculturalism is a western, late 20th century kind of intellectual national socialism, and is both racialist, chauvinist, and supremacist depending upon the ethnic/racial group that is at the center of the specific program, diversity concern, or "studies" program within academia.

The Democratic party's power is concentrated in two primary areas: class war, and identity politics. Take these away, and the Democratic party, as presently constituted, would evaporate.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

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