L. Tom Perry Takes Dead Aim at the Left in Conference

[_Droopy]

It is not worth my time to argue with your Kaczynskiesque manifestos. That cracked pot is more susceptible to reason.[/quote]


No, Squishkumen, you can't. You have no counter-arguments. You never, ever do. And I know perfectly well why.

Secondly, Kaczynski is one of you; he's a leftist who's bizarre ravings cannot, without prior knowledge, be disentangled from the beliefs of Al Gore, much of the mainstream environmental movement, many in the Democratic party, and not a few in here.

I've rarely seen a reasoned argument from you, but then, how could I, as about 95% of the time you turn and run away from serious debate and discourse and into your usual high cut-downs and personal slurs the moment you're cornered and often, the moment you're challenged.

But I know that's all your really have, Squish. Its all most people around the Trailerpark have.

But we knew that.

[_Equality]

Credit and entitlement culture?

Yes, those were the terms used.

Bain Capital represents the ultimate "entitlement culture":

Bain Capital is a venture capital (seed capital) management and investment firm who's specialty is rescuing companies that have been mismanaged and turning them into economically viable, profit making companies. The employees and executives at Bain earn their livings and earn the fees they are paid, in this manner, and by doing this kind of work and providing, in a free, uncoerced market, these services. The thousands of employees who's jobs were saved or created by Bain do not feel as you do about them.

Bain Capital creates wealth. It creates wealth were there was none before. The Welfare state is a net destroyer, eater, and consumer of wealth. It consumes that which exists and replenishes nothing, and its slows and/or prevents the creation of new wealth, especially for the poor who it claims are the objects of its concern.

the executives there thought they were entitled to mountains of cash extracted from the companies they looted and left saddled with debt.

I'm not even going to respond to witless, stupefacted ignorance of this kind. Take your class ressentiment, your class war, you class envy, and your hatred of individual economic freedom to someplace where people like you actually run things and control the economy.

Say, Cuba.

[_Kishkumen]

Secondly, Kaczynski is one of you; he's a leftist who's bizarre ravings cannot, without prior knowledge, be disentangled from the beliefs of Al Gore, much of the mainstream environmental movement, many in the Democratic party, and not a few in here.

Ha! Boy, you are a complete ignoramus.

7. But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century
leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today
the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be
called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in
mind mainly socialists, collectivists, "politically correct" types,
feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and
the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these
movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing
leftism is not so much a movement or an ideology as a psychological
type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by
"leftism" will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of
leftist psychology (Also, see paragraphs 227-230.)

8. Even so, our conception of leftism will remain a good deal less
clear than we would wish, but there doesn't seem to be any remedy for
this. All we are trying to do is indicate in a rough and approximate
way the two psychological tendencies that we believe are the main
driving force of modern leftism. We by no means claim to be telling
the WHOLE truth about leftist psychology. Also, our discussion is
meant to apply to modern leftism only. We leave open the question of
the extent to which our discussion could be applied to the leftists of
the 19th and early 20th century.

9. The two psychological tendencies that underlie modern leftism we
call "feelings of inferiority" and "oversocialization." Feelings of
inferiority are characteristic of modern leftism as a whole, while
oversocialization is characteristic only of a certain segment of
modern leftism; but this segment is highly influential.

That's about as close to Droopy one can hope to get without being Droopy.

Droopy, you lose yet again. You are a petty, ignorant bigot with a tenuous grasp on sanity. Ted is your closest fellow traveler. Get help.

[_Kishkumen]

To continue with the ravings of Droopy's intellectual soulmate, Ted Kaczynski, whom the self-professed intellectual giant, Droopy, calls a "Leftist":

12. Those who are most sensitive about "politically incorrect"
terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant,
abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of
whom do not even belong to any "oppressed" group but come from
privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold
among university professors, who have secure employment with
comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, white
males from middle-class families.

13. Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of
groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American
Indians), repellent (homosexuals), or otherwise inferior. The leftists
themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit
it to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely
because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with
their problems. (We do not suggest that women, Indians, etc., ARE
inferior; we are only making a point about leftist psychology).

14. Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as
strong as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women
may NOT be as strong and as capable as men.

15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong,
good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western
civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The
reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not
correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West
because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so
forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in
primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he
GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points
out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in
Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the
leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He hates
America and the West because they are strong and successful.

Yup, Droopy, that guy is a REAL Leftist. Kinda like you are.

[Guest]

You have demonstrated no such thing, Droopy. Elder Perry did not specify government use of credit or the social safety net.

As I've already made clear, the vast majority of faithful, committed Latter-day Saints (which pre-disqualifies you by definition) who have a substantive understanding of gospel doctrine and philosophy (yet another pre-disqualfication) will understand that statement just as I understood it, as, come now Kish, it could only, given the overwhelming preponderance of historic Church doctrine and GA teaching for the duration of the 20th century, have one possible range of meaning.

A couple of buzz words embedded in a talk tells me, at best, that this apostle is a conservative like you (although, arguably a lot less nutty), not that God endorses Republican politics.

Straw man alert! Danger! Danger Will Robinson! Leftist Approaching! No one's ever made this claim. However, those two words are quite easy to understand for any educated intelligent (big caveat there) human being, let alone LDS. Debt (Keynes, fiat money creation, attempted wealth creation, not through productive work, but through consumer spending, much of it on money consumers do not actually have) and entitlement (the entire welfare state and its class resentment, class war based ideology of preemptive claims upon the fruits of the labor of others) are inimical to the gospel of Christ and ultimately to a civil, free, ordered society.

It takes a true, unalloyed leftist to miss this, explain it away in the usual desperate, facile fashion, and continue to follow the yellow brick road all the way into the wall with the other crash test dummies.

[_Kishkumen]

As I've already made clear, the vast majority of faithful, committed Latter-day Saints (which pre-disqualifies you by definition) who have a substantive understanding of gospel doctrine and philosophy (yet another pre-disqualfication) will understand that statement just as I understood it, as, come now Kish, it could only, given the overwhelming preponderance of historic Church doctrine and GA teaching for the duration of the 20th century, have one possible range of meaning.

And that proves what? That you base your politics on the majority LDS opinion?

Why would I particularly care that an apostle is a conservative or that many Mormons are conservative?

If you are so weak or muddle-headed that you respond to bird-calls instead of thinking for yourself, this may not be the best place to advertise the fact.

[_Equality]

To continue with the ravings of Droopy's intellectual soulmate, Ted Kaczynski, whom the self-professed intellectual giant, Droopy, calls a "Leftist":

12. Those who are most sensitive about "politically incorrect"
terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant,
abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of
whom do not even belong to any "oppressed" group but come from
privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold
among university professors, who have secure employment with
comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, white
males from middle-class families.

13. Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of
groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American
Indians), repellent (homosexuals), or otherwise inferior. The leftists
themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit
it to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely
because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with
their problems. (We do not suggest that women, Indians, etc., ARE
inferior; we are only making a point about leftist psychology).

14. Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as
strong as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women
may NOT be as strong and as capable as men.

15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong,
good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western
civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The
reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not
correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West
because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so
forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in
primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he
GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points
out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in
Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the
leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He hates
America and the West because they are strong and successful.

Yup, Droopy, that guy is a REAL Leftist. Kinda like you are.

Anyone else ever hope that Droopy does not have mad bomb-making skills?

[_Kishkumen]

Anyone else ever hope that Droopy does not have mad bomb-making skills?

Droopy still has his wife to think about, a woman who loves him and puts up with him on grocery trips.

[_Darth J]

No, Squishkumen,

I like this name, because it reminds me of Squidward from "Spongebob Squarepants" and also a character from the Book of Mormon.

Have you given any thought to posting some Spongebob/Book of Mormon slash fic, Droopy?

[_Kishkumen]

Read more from Droopy's soulmate, the man Droopy calls a "Leftist."

16. Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative",
"enterprise," "optimism," etc. play little role in the liberal and
leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic,
pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's needs for them,
take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense
of confidence in his own ability to solve his own problems and satisfy
his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of
competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.

17. Art forms that appeal to modern leftist intellectuals tend to
focus on sordidness, defeat and despair, or else they take an
orgiastic tone, throwing off rational control as if there were no hope
of accomplishing anything through rational calculation and all that
was left was to immerse oneself in the sensations of the moment.

18. Modern leftist philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science,
objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally
relative. It is true that one can ask serious questions about the
foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the
concept of objective reality can be defined. But it is obvious that
modern leftist philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians
systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply
involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack
these concepts because of their own psychological needs. For one
thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent
that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power. More
importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they
classify certain beliefs as true (i.e., successful, superior) and
other beliefs as false (i.e. failed, inferior). The leftist's feelings
of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification
of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or
inferior. This also underlies the rejection by many leftists of the
concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests. Leftists are
antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior
because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or
inferior to others. Leftists prefer to give society the credit or
blame for an individual's ability or lack of it. Thus if a person is
"inferior" it is not his fault, but society's, because he has not been
brought up properly.