consiglieri wrote:Maybe we could all attend and call it the Super-Friends Sunday School.
Or the Justice League of Gospel Doctrine class.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
As long as we get to dress up.
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Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
bcspace wrote: I don't think there is anything wrong with your argumentation. But I do think that in those days, much needed to be revealed to accomplish the restoration which was the greater dependency. I do agree that it's tough and a trial of faith to not have these days be like those days, but I certainly can see that in general and for the time being we have all we need and any great mysteries to be revealed will most likely be personal and therefore, not for the Church or the world as a whole. I am certainly NOT saying we, individually or as a Church, should not seek for and expect greater knowledge and miracles right now.
I appreciate your line of reasoning, BC, but I honestly feel Joseph Smith was nowhere near done with his revelations at the time he was killed. It seems God wasn't done revealing stuff so much as the hose got kinked when Joseph died.
More and more it looks like the only difference between the Mormon Church and the Catholic Church is 2,000 years.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
I appreciate your line of reasoning, BC, but I honestly feel Joseph Smith was nowhere near done with his revelations at the time he was killed. It seems God wasn't done revealing stuff so much as the hose got kinked when Joseph died.
Indeed. I get the distinct impression that if he had lived to the age of 85....
More and more it looks like the only difference between the Mormon Church and the Catholic Church is 2,000 years.
I get the distinct impression that the world has enough trouble wrapping it's head around some of our doctrines and the Lord knows how much we can/should take as far as explanations, argumentations, and persecutions go. Now is the time of expansion into the nations to develop a core of believers who will accept new revelation.
In the meantime, I teach in Church that Theosis, with a capital 'T' (and Gods with a capital 'G") is a critical "baby milk" doctrine which helps us understand what it's all about. I also have no problem mentioning plural marriage in a positive light in front of a Relief Society crowd. This so people can understand it well enough to explain it.
I think one should direct such questions towards God and not presume to know the answer.
My own views (subject the above provision) on the two points under discussion is this:
1) Why do bad things happen to good people? Because God is a natural God and not a supernatural God. And that is the nature of our being. God is simply not responsible for what happens to us less advanced beings. We are responsible and need to either remedy it if possible or learn to do things that would avoid that outcome if possible.
2) Should the Church accept gay people? Absolutely. There is nothing wrong with how you are born or your sexual orientation. However, there should be an understanding that one of the problems (and there are a few) that is wrong with being gay and engaging in gay sex is it frustrates God's plan. God's plan is for spirits to be born into this sphere. Gays, until relatively recently, were unable to procreate so this frustrates this objective and why it is counter the gospel and God's plan. There are other problems as well (and these problems are shared with heterosexuals who engage in promiscuity), but this is the main concern.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
If you could teach the class and throw away the manual what would be the first 10 lessons you would teach?
Class Number One--Throw away the manual.
God is not restricted to a temple nor his Spirit to a book.
Everything else flows from there.
How's that for starters?
Not good at all. No church can survive with people making up their own gospel. There must be a center of direction that all else can flow. Your way would lead to chaos and break ups. Every thing needs to flow from a center. If you remember correctly the early LDS church needed to have direction also since in the beginning early members were jumping in the aisles and speaking in tongues. It all had to be reined in so that god's church becomes less chaotic.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote: If you remember correctly the early LDS church needed to have direction also since in the beginning early members were jumping in the aisles and speaking in tongues. It all had to be reined in so that god's church becomes less chaotic.
What I remember is that speaking in tongues was seen as an evidence of the restoration of the charismatic gifts in Joseph Smith's church; a gift exercised on several occasions by Brigham Young, no less.
Their loss should not go unnoticed.
It's kind of like what happened with the Catholic Church.
About 2,000 years ago.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
Tobin wrote:I think one should direct such questions towards God and not presume to know the answer.
My own views (subject the above provision) on the two points under discussion is this:
1) Why do bad things happen to good people? Because God is a natural God and not a supernatural God. And that is the nature of our being. God is simply not responsible for what happens to us less advanced beings. We are responsible and need to either remedy it if possible or learn to do things that would avoid that outcome if possible.
OK. 'God' is just another being inhabiting the universe like us, only more advanced. He didn't make us any more than he made himself, so he is not responsible for us (which obviously he would be if he had made us).
Tobin wrote:2) Should the Church accept gay people? Absolutely. There is nothing wrong with how you are born or your sexual orientation. However, there should be an understanding that one of the problems (and there are a few) that is wrong with being gay and engaging in gay sex is it frustrates God's plan. God's plan is for spirits to be born into this sphere. Gays, until relatively recently, were unable to procreate so this frustrates this objective and why it is counter the gospel and God's plan. There are other problems as well (and these problems are shared with heterosexuals who engage in promiscuity), but this is the main concern.
Now this entity called 'God' who is not responsible for us (see 1 above) has a plan that we ought not to frustrate?
... that makes no sense.
Oh never mind, it's just Tobin making it up as he goes along, as usual. Don't expect consistency.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
19 And this greater priesthood administereth the gospel and holdeth the key of the mysteries of the kingdom, even the key of the knowledge of God.
20 Therefore, in the ordinances thereof, the power of godliness is manifest.
21 And without the ordinances thereof, and the authority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is not manifest unto men in the flesh;
22 For without this no man can see the face of God, even the Father, and live.
23 Now this Moses plainly taught to the children of Israel in the wilderness, and sought diligently to sanctify his people that they might behold the face of God;
24 But they hardened their hearts and could not endure his presence; therefore, the Lord in his wrath, for his anger was kindled against them, swore that they should not enter into his rest while in the wilderness, which rest is the fulness of his glory.
25 Therefore, he took Moses out of their midst, and the Holy Priesthood also;
