Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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Re: Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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ludwigm wrote:About blasphemy and inquisition.

LittleNipper wrote:So, what exactly is your point? I never said that those people were "Christians."Or that such behavior is righteous. I happen to be of the Protestant branch. We feel that the "church" was being corrupted. I like Martin Luther in many respects and did a report on him way back in junior high and got an (A+). And that was in the Delran New Jersey Public School System. This was about human CONTROL and nothing to do with God. I personally do not believe that the Pope is the head of the Church --- Jesus Christ is.



Those people tortured and burned other people, in the name of Christ, in the name of god. Based on blasphemy. They called themselves christians - as You.

the "church" was being corrupted ???
Christ's church was corrupted? And did Christ allow it? How? Why?

Pope? Who cares the pope? His children did it...

My point is that if people can do this type of thing - hidden behind the mantle of religion, any religion (christian or "corrupted" christian or protestant or whatever) - then there is something wrong with religion. In general.

You are not corrupted - of course... - and got A+ about Luther. Congratulations! Unfortunately, many of Your cohort are corrupted. The all other type of christians. Of all other christian denominations. Your one denomination - be it called anything - is an exception. As You, personally.

I understand. Prophets come and go. Luthers, Calvins, Smiths, Moons - five cent a dozen. They preach corruption/restoration, renewing the christianity.

Are there 2000 christian sect/denomination? 3000? 13000?
All of them corrupted but Your one. Congratulations again. You can choose.

And so Stalin did unspeakable things in the name of Communism. Hitler did unspeakable things in the name of evolutionary socialism. Evil people do evil things in the name of whatever suits them.
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LittleNipper wrote:And so Stalin did unspeakable things in the name of Communism. Hitler did unspeakable things in the name of evolutionary socialism. Evil people do evil things in the name of whatever suits them.

Ooops...

You DID compare the RELIGION with Stalin? With Hitler??
Can religious people do evil things? Can be religious people evil?

Up to now, I used to think religious people can do only good things.
Up to now, I used to think religion makes everybody good.

The ceiling fell about my ears.

OK, may I propagandize that - in effect - religion, stalinism and hitlerism are the same and identical? Copyrighted by You?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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ludwigm wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:And so Stalin did unspeakable things in the name of Communism. Hitler did unspeakable things in the name of evolutionary socialism. Evil people do evil things in the name of whatever suits them.

Ooops...

You DID compare the RELIGION with Stalin? With Hitler??
Can religious people do evil things? Can be religious people evil?

Up to now, I used to think religious people can do only good things.
Up to now, I used to think religion makes everybody good.

The ceiling fell about my ears.

OK, may I propagandize that - in effect - religion, stalinism and hitlerism are the same and identical? Copyrighted by You?


Cannibals are religious. Atheists "religiously" do not believe in God. Aztecs religiously got at the heart of the subject... Religion doesn't make a Christian --- Christ does. You have obviously been wrong up to now! :lol:
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LittleNipper wrote:
Cannibals are religious. Atheists "religiously" do not believe in God. Aztecs religiously got at the heart of the subject... Religion doesn't make a Christian --- Christ does. You have obviously been wrong up to now! :lol:


A few Christian acts:

The death of hundreds of 'Pagans' in Roman arenas after Christianity became the official religion.

The Crusades.

The slaughter of Jews in Europe to warm up for the Crusades.

Multiple pogroms against Jews in Europe over hundreds of years (sanctioned by the Catholic Church).

The Inquisition.

The burning at the stake of Protestants by Catholics.

The burning at the stake of Catholics by Protestants.

The burning and other executions of 'witches' across Europe.

The implementation of slavery in the new world.

The genocide of Native American Peoples.

The Holocaust.

This is just a partial list.

All the people that committed these atrocious acts believed that their very own translation of the Bible justified these acts. They believed that God would reward them for their faith.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.

"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
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Quasimodo wrote:This is just a partial list.

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- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Counting down to No True Scotsman....
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Quasimodo wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
Cannibals are religious. Atheists "religiously" do not believe in God. Aztecs religiously got at the heart of the subject... Religion doesn't make a Christian --- Christ does. You have obviously been wrong up to now! :lol:


A few Christian acts:

The death of hundreds of 'Pagans' in Roman arenas after Christianity became the official religion.

The Crusades.

The slaughter of Jews in Europe to warm up for the Crusades.

Multiple pogroms against Jews in Europe over hundreds of years (sanctioned by the Catholic Church).

The Inquisition.

The burning at the stake of Protestants by Catholics.

The burning at the stake of Catholics by Protestants.

The burning and other executions of 'witches' across Europe.

The implementation of slavery in the new world.

The genocide of Native American Peoples.

The Holocaust.

This is just a partial list.

All the people that committed these atrocious acts believed that their very own translation of the Bible justified these acts. They believed that God would reward them for their faith.

The Holocaust was the direct result of a "religious" belief that there are inferior races that imped the evolutionary progression of a superior race. It is entirely laced with evolutionary thought which suggests man pulled himself up from the slime and is becoming a 'god.' Slavery was the result of pagan influences that began in Egypt and were fully accepted as the norm for the Roman Empire. It was not until men began to really embrace biblical teaching that Christians began to understand that to enslave brothers and sisters in Christ was entirely wrong. And that to enslave non-christians was a violation of Christian love and hampered missionary work and conversions.
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LittleNipper wrote:The Holocaust was the direct result of a "religious" belief...
...therefore religion is bad. That one was too easy, Nipper. :lol:

But seriously, the relationship between the Holocaust and religious beliefs of the perpetrators it is a bit more complicated than that, particularly in places like Serbia and Croatia.

It would do you well to learn about the collaboration between local Catholics and the Croatian Ustaše.
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:The Holocaust was the direct result of a "religious" belief...
...therefore religion is bad. That one was too easy, Nipper. :lol:

But seriously, the relationship between the Holocaust and religious beliefs of the perpetrators it is a bit more complicated than that, particularly in places like Serbia and Croatia.

It would do you well to learn about the collaboration between local Catholics and the Croatian Ustaše.

True Christianity is a RELATIONSHIP between God and an individual. And I understand that people do terrible things thinking that God wants them too; however, there are plenty of people who do bad things because they feel that there is either no god, no one sees, or God doesn't really care ----- that is where it becomes complex. That is honestly where I see you coming from.
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Brad Hudson wrote:Counting down to No True Scotsman....


I don't think Little Nipper understood your post.

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