Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged

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Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged

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Kevin Graham wrote:
Exactly. But Droopy doesn't understand this for the same reasons he doesn't understand basic refutations of Mormon claims, such as the Book of Abraham.


More evidence from the horses mouth of exactly what I've been saying for years: Graham's sudden lurch to the political left followed his sudden lurch to the left of everything, and that was a direct result of his apostasy from the gospel, his coming out in open rebellion against what he still, at some level, knows perfectly well is true, and his need to justify his fighting against the truth by re-imagining the world in his own self-justificational image. Its all of a piece, and he let's it out, now and then, if unwittingly.

It is because he refuses to read those sources which his preferred sources have demonized.


In point of fact, I read leftist blogs, sources, and watch leftist video and leftist television (Link and FSTV) all the time, and always have. My huge personal library is full of leftist primary source texts, as is my hard disk.

This is why I (and other educated conservatives) are able to flummox Graham and people like him all the time: I read their sources and, more than likely, for the most part, I have a far better working knowledge of their own beliefs and sources than they do.

The entire leftist worldview is a lie; a fantastic theoretical fantasy that has no basis in the actual human condition as given or as to its actual human potential and hence must create the evidence it needs to justify and support the ideologies it has created to justify and support the theoretic fantasies it has created to project the messiah complex of its adherents and servile worker ants onto the world and the material that must be molded and shaped into a form suitable to the theoretic fantasy - "the people."

In matters of religion, everything that contradicts his fantasy is "anti-Mormon" ans must be ignored.


I've never "ignored" anything. I, and many other apologists, have been attempting serious, rational, civil debate for years. It is people such as you - all too common, unfortunately - who have made that well nigh an impossibility, in most cases.

In matters of politics, everything else is "leftist" and must be ignored for the same reasons.


What's leftist is leftist, that's a body of philosophies, ideologies, and value systems that have salient definitions and features and which can be explained and understood clearly, and have been, for a very long time. If you don't understand those core aspects of the Left that bind it together across various schools of thought and makes those disparate ideologies of a piece, at a fundamental level, and what differentiates them from classic liberalism and its modern variants, conservatism and libertarianism, you can ask, and I will be more than happy to educate you on these matters.

He can't handle challenging his own presuppositions, which makes him an intellectual coward to say the least.


Are you as mentally unbalanced as you appear, Kevin, or is all of this just a tactic?

Yep. And of the thousands upon thousands of comments, refutations, etc presented by Media Matters over the years, I've yet to see FOX News show how it has gotten anything really wrong.


Drones rarely see anything amiss with their own internal thought-world, Kevin.

That's why they're called "drones."
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Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged

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Complete pucky.....! You people only see what you want to see.


I actually think that, in many cases, they know very well they're not seeing what they want to see, but that this then produces the belief that, since the world must already conform to their own ideological vision of what it must be like, when there are a few seconds of missing tape somewhere, of any lack of detailed evidence at the outset (Trayvon Martin etc.), the ideology conclusively furnishes the rest of the "evidence," which then become facts, which then become smears and defamations, which then become calls for "blood" and "civil war."

Anyone actually experienced in violent confrontation can easily see what happened.
The fat idiot threw a wild punch with no solid footing and he fell on his ass!


This is more than likely exactly what happened, but we'll have to see the whole tape to see for sure. Apparently, someone else at the tent the union enforcers were trashing and tearing down has come forward and said that "Tony" slipped and fell all on his own. Time will provide the truth.

And if you watch the full videos of the event, you clearly see Crowder doing everything possible to NOT do anything. Crowder has some training in Martial Arts, if he wanted to do something, we would see it. But his entire behavior was simply ALLOWING people to do what they wanted.


Crowder was engaging in vigorous debate with people who have been told all of their lives that there is no rational debate or principled opposition to their gravy train and that the best course to follow when someone attempts principled criticism of union politics and goals is to end the debate with a baseball bat. This is the tradition and culture of American unionism since the mid-thirties.

The entitlement mentality of traditional unionism is wholly non-rational and tolerates not one iota of dissent. Wolf packs rarely do. A union is a union - a collective - of single-minded agenda and aims; that is why they are "unions" and why the individual qua individual has no place within them, unless he represses his individuality and goes along with the pack.

But, I suppose the tent just "destroyed itself"....? Ya, those UNION THUGS are not "violent".


In point of fact, Sub, the Norris-LaGurdia act and, most ominously, the Wagner Act, effectively removed union members of virtually all the laws and restrains of civil society, so far as their personal and collective behavior is concerned, so long as whatever they do can be said to have been done to achieve union goals.

Generations of union militants were and have been raised with little fear of accountability, let alone criminal prosecution, for any crimes they commit against person or property, up to very, very serious crimes. This is the mentality we see at each teacher's union rally, each public sector union confab, and each private sector union mob gathering who's core purpose is to enforce the "closed shop" at all costs.



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Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged

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Kevin Graham wrote:You people only see what you want to see.

Anyone actually experienced in violent confrontation can easily see what happened. The fat idiot threw a wild punch with no solid footing and he fell on his ass!


How does this even begin to make sense. The fat guy was coming from the ground as someone screamed and accused the journalist of "assault." Why don't you question why the cameraman only started rolling the camera as the fat guy was getting up to throw a punch? Because it makes no sense that the cameraman stopped rolling. He was always rolling, but all that was edited out.... for what reason?


Pure, wild, flailing speculation carefully crafted and devoid of judicious logical inference so as to produce the right conclusions. Masterful. Kevin has mastered the Scratchian technique perhaps even better than Beastie. The tape apparently exists, so it was rolling throughout. You'd better hope your smears hold up.

Its just as likely, and, given the tape that does exist and which I posted links to, and based on Crowder's behavior and the behavior and language of the union gang members around him, that "Tony" threw the first punch and either missed or had his punch dodged, and landed on his butt. Or, he may have reached out during the verbal debate and tried to grab Crowder, at which point Crowder knocked his arms away and he fell (Crowder had already been grabbed - from behind - once, which is clearly on tape).

You see, the Gadianton Robbers have, like most criminal gangs, two wings: a political wing and a "direct action" wing (the IRA, ALF, and ELF are typical, and big labor mastered that same technique long ago). While the thugs are in the streets shutting down the first amendment and circumventing deliberative representative government with mob democracy, their busy worker ants are in the mainstream media, places like Media Matters, and here, waving their pom poms and shouting "Go team, go!

Simple minds, comfortable in delusion don't ask these questions.


Blah, blah, blah...

There are no full videos. It was edited.


Apparently, there are.

you clearly see Crowder doing everything possible to NOT do anything.


Uh huh, in those "clips" he allowed you to see, of course.


Classic tabloid smear/blackball journalism. This is precisely why I've called Graham the Father Coughlin of Internet anti-Mormonism, and he deploys the same mentality and tactics in other areas as well.

Crowder has some training in Martial Arts, if he wanted to do something, we would see it. But his entire behavior was simply ALLOWING people to do what they wanted.

:rolleyes:

In what, douche kwon do?


If I had been Crowder, I wouldn't have gone into a wolf pack like that without this:

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Mine's about 20 inches or so, and at some point when the goons were getting a bit to hot under the collar, I would have made it very clear that it would be a very good idea to keep the debate verbal.

I'm a third degree black belt myself. The way he was "defending himself" (by lunging towards him before changing his mind as he remembered he was on camera and then threw his hands up acting like an innocent!) was hardly indicative of someone with proper martial arts training.


In what, Kevin?

This douchebag went there to film a setup. Obviously, or else why was the video edited so much?


A few seconds? How much has it been edited, Kevin? Give us a total time frame, and your inside sources.

Why throw his hands up in a finale as if to say, "see what told you would happen"? He orchestrated the whole event using carefully edited video clips and meshing them together to deceive the only idiots who would possibly believe it.... FOX viewers.


Pure, unalloyed ad hominem smearing. Evidence and fact-free. But, well, that's Kevin.
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Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged

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Dear Kevin Graham.... :rolleyes:

1. Crowder was assaulted SEVERAL times that day for simply interviewing people as people who report do.

2. If you watch the full video, and yes there is a full video, you clearly see that Crowder was facing the wrong way to have had anything to do with the guy falling down.

3. As the guy falls down, Crowder states the guy just assaulted him. Clearly from the video Crowder moved to avoid an attack and the guy fell on his face.

4. As to your claim of "martial arts". Your claim would be valid if he was there to fight, which he wasn't. He had his hands up in peace avoiding conflict, not trying to have it. Clearly you don't understand the difference between violent actions and behavior, and people trying to avoid confrontation. Ya, those men viciously yelling at Crowder and the others there, they had so much PEACE in their behavior?

When are liberals going to take responsibility for their immoral acts?

- Several assaults on a man simply asking people questions.
- A man telling people he will kill people with guns when people know someone has one.
- Tearing down a tent with women, children, and disabled in it.
- Destroying a mans hotdog stand.

- Oh, and I'm sure all the MILLIONS of dollars of damage, waste, graffiti done to the Capital in Wisconsin was also ALL IN OUR IMAGINATIONS and "selective editing".

This story is an excellent example of even in the face of the actual facts, you people will try to make it "our" fault. Yes, our simple existence justify's your actions. Our simple asking you questions justify's your actions. Yes, our trying to stop you from destroying property and hurting people by simply "pulling a few of you away a few times" entirely JUSTIFY'S YOUR VIOLENCE.....!!! Immoral scum you liberals are.
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Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged

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As to your claim of "martial arts". Your claim would be valid if he was there to fight, which he wasn't.


If Kevin's knowledge of marital arts is similar to Darth's, then we are in for a real treat. No doubt an exotic cross between Klurkor, Ninjustu, and Kung Pao.
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Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged

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When are liberals going to take responsibility for their immoral acts?


To ask that question is to answer it. Leftism, across its many interconnected manifestations, is ultimately about the worship of power (which is why it is almost always about the worship of the state and state power). It is also always about "the revolution," whatever particular utopian fetish that may be at the time, and nothing is allowed to stand between the "cause" and its realization, including ethics, morality, and mere formalities like the rule of law.

This is also why classical liberalism, and the gospel and gospel principles as found in the Judeo-Christian tradition, are so hated. The constitution is the single greatest impediment to what the Left has long desired to do and to the kind of society the Left desires to create they have ever encountered, and its destruction has consumed a lion's share of their intellectual and political activity since the dawning decades of the 20th century.

This story is an excellent example of even in the face of the actual facts, you people will try to make it "our" fault. Yes, our simple existence justify's your actions. Our simple asking you questions justify's your actions. Yes, our trying to stop you from destroying property and hurting people by simply "pulling a few of you away a few times" entirely JUSTIFY'S YOUR VIOLENCE.....!!! Immoral scum you liberals are.


The romantic lure of a purifying, sanctifying revolutionary collective violence has a long, long pedigree on the Left. Violence, of course, is the first refuge of a scoundrel who does not have an argument!
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Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged

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When are liberals going to take responsibility for their immoral acts?


To ask that question is to answer it. Leftism, across its many interconnected manifestations, is ultimately about the worship of power (which is why it is almost always about the worship of the state and state power). It is also always about "the revolution," whatever particular utopian fetish that may be at the time, and nothing is allowed to stand between the "cause" and its realization, including ethics, morality, and mere formalities like the rule of law.

This is also why classical liberalism, and the gospel and gospel principles as found in the Judeo-Christian tradition, are so hated. The constitution is the single greatest impediment to what the Left has long desired to do and to the kind of society the Left desires to create they have ever encountered, and its destruction has consumed a lion's share of their intellectual and political activity since the dawning decades of the 20th century.

This story is an excellent example of even in the face of the actual facts, you people will try to make it "our" fault. Yes, our simple existence justify's your actions. Our simple asking you questions justify's your actions. Yes, our trying to stop you from destroying property and hurting people by simply "pulling a few of you away a few times" entirely JUSTIFY'S YOUR VIOLENCE.....!!! Immoral scum you liberals are.


The romantic lure of a sanctifying, unifying collective violence has a long, long pedigree on the Left. It binds and bonds packs together and submerges moral inhibitions within the collective against out-groups. Violence, of course, is the first refuge of a scoundrel who does not have an argument!
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Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged

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Liberals putting law abiding gun owners at risk:

http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-?gcheck=1

Similar to those who intimidated Prop 8 donors. Yet another reason why gun control should be opposed.
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