liz3564 wrote:Sock Puppet wrote: I just wonder how many of his defenders--who remind me of Charlie's girls--Charlie Manson's...
Really? Now we're being compared to murderers?
This is so offensive I don't even know what else to say.
Where was your outrage when Ray was comparing critics to all sorts of bigger, more horrible historical characters?
The term "Manson's girls" does not describe the murderous following. For example, Leslie Van Houten was convicted for the LaBianca murders. Van Houten was one of Manson's "family", but not one of "Manson's girls".
The term "Manson's girls" was coined by the media during the trial of Charles Manson. It describes three Manson followers that would come each day of Manson's trial to the courthouse, hand in hand, wearing flower dresses and chanting Manson's innocence and their support for him. They were Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Patricia Krenwinkle and Mary Brunner.
The term "Manson's girls" is by no means flattery. But it is not likening someone or calling him or her a murderer. It is a description of the conduct of loyalty to a person, a cult of personality.
No need to take offense. And given that the Manson episode predates you (you're too young to have watched it unfold each night on the CBS Nightly News in 1968), I can understand why you might have conflated "Manson's girls" to mean more than what it does.
So, to answer your questions. Yes, really, but not comparing anyone to murderers. That would be Ray's schtick.
Now Dan...he's old enough. So his outrage at the use of the term "Manson's girls" to describe his defenders of his unethical behavior is just another use of that old mopologetic parlor trick--feign offense to 'high heaven' and claim more, much more than happened. It's his modus operandi.