Obama orders same policy that sparked mortgage meltdown

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Analytics wrote:If you understood that part, you’d understand that the president fundamentally can’t wave a magic wand that will somehow make Wall Street willing and able to provide massive capital for the origination of subprime loans. That’s why this whole allegation that Obama somehow “orders same policy that sparked mortgage meltdown” is being reported by WND but isn’t being reported by The Wall Street Journal or any other news outlet read by people who actually understand finance: not only did Obama not “order same policy that sparked mortgage meltdown”, the very concept that he could doesn’t make sense.


Sure he can. It's called the FHA.

Deciding which borrowers get loans might seem like something that should be left up to the private market. But since the financial crisis in 2008, the government has shaped most of the housing market, insuring between 80 percent and 90 percent of all new loans, according to the industry publication Inside Mortgage Finance. It has done so primarily through the Federal Housing Administration, which is part of the executive branch, and taxpayer-backed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, run by an independent regulator.

The FHA historically has been dedicated to making homeownership affordable for people of moderate means. Under FHA terms, a borrower can get a home loan with a credit score as low as 500 or a down payment as small as 3.5 percent. If borrowers with FHA loans default on their payments, taxpayers are on the line — a guarantee that should provide confidence to banks to lend.

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Hmmmm...bad credit sores...low down payments....what was the name for these types of loans again...?
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cinepro wrote:Sure he can. It's called the FHA.
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Hmmmm...bad credit sores...low down payments....what was the name for these types of loans again...?

Sounds like what one would call an FHA loan.

Given that the FHA has never required a bailout in history, I'm inclined to think that they aren't the ones who drove the crisis.

The standards for FHA loans haven't changed that much over the years. In general, the loans that caused the bubble were taken out by people who couldn't qualify for FHA loans.
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Analytics wrote:
cinepro wrote:Sure he can. It's called the FHA.
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Hmmmm...bad credit sores...low down payments....what was the name for these types of loans again...?

Sounds like what one would call an FHA loan.

Given that the FHA has never required a bailout in history, I'm inclined to think that they aren't the ones who drove the crisis.

The standards for FHA loans haven't changed that much over the years. In general, the loans that caused the bubble were taken out by people who couldn't qualify for FHA loans.


Sadly, that is changing and while the past of the FHA is admirable, their present and future is looking more and more like them becoming the nation's government-sponsored subprime mortgage provider.

Even Obama's budget appears to concede the inevitability of an FHA bailout.

WASHINGTON — The Federal Housing Administration helped stabilize the real estate market after the subprime bubble and lay the groundwork for the recovery — and now the bill for taxpayers might be coming due.

The Obama administration's proposed budget released Wednesday projected that the agency, which insures more than $1 trillion in mortgages, would need a $943-million bailout this year to stabilize its shaky long-term finances. It would be the first time the FHA, which is financed by the premiums it charges homeowners, has needed taxpayer funds in its 79-year history.


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-0 ... 5608.story

Granted, it sounds like the FHA's woes have been largely affected by their support of "Reverse Mortgages", but the point is that it is absurd for the government to be backing mortgages to buyers with almost no down payment and bad credit.
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cinepro wrote:Sadly, that is changing and while the past of the FHA is admirable, their present and future is looking more and more like them becoming the nation's government-sponsored subprime mortgage provider.

Even Obama's budget appears to concede the inevitability of an FHA bailout.


Remember that the FHA bailout, if it happens, will still be an order of magnitude smaller than the bailouts of Fannie, Freddie, AIG, etc.

And please remember that they haven’t loosened credit standards.

WASHINGTON — The Federal Housing Administration helped stabilize the real estate market after the subprime bubble and lay the groundwork for the recovery — and now the bill for taxpayers might be coming due.

The Obama administration's proposed budget released Wednesday projected that the agency, which insures more than $1 trillion in mortgages, would need a $943-million bailout this year to stabilize its shaky long-term finances. It would be the first time the FHA, which is financed by the premiums it charges homeowners, has needed taxpayer funds in its 79-year history.


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-0 ... 5608.story

Granted, it sounds like the FHA's woes have been largely affected by their support of "Reverse Mortgages", but the point is that it is absurd for the government to be backing mortgages to buyers with almost no down payment and bad credit.[/quote]

If you think it is absurd for the government to back mortgages to buyers with almost no down payment and bad credit, why did you say above that the past of the FHA is admirable? Loans to people with low down payments and average credit has always been their target niche.
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The simple fact is, capitalism crashed the worlds economy via the housing market. Everything bcspace worships about economics failed and failed miserably, thus bcspace must find a scapegoat.
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3sheets2thewind wrote:The simple fact is, capitalism crashed the worlds economy via the housing market. Everything bcspace worships about economics failed and failed miserably, thus bcspace must find a scapegoat.

The free market might not be perfect, but capitalism is perfect.
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Analytics wrote:
cinepro wrote:Sure he can. It's called the FHA.
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Hmmmm...bad credit sores...low down payments....what was the name for these types of loans again...?

Sounds like what one would call an FHA loan.

Given that the FHA has never required a bailout in history, I'm inclined to think that they aren't the ones who drove the crisis.

The standards for FHA loans haven't changed that much over the years. In general, the loans that caused the bubble were taken out by people who couldn't qualify for FHA loans.

ehem...
http://www.hud.gov/offices/adm/about/ad ... y.cfm#1930
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Re: Obama orders same policy that sparked mortgage meltdown

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Analytics wrote:If you think it is absurd for the government to back mortgages to buyers with almost no down payment and bad credit, why did you say above that the past of the FHA is admirable? Loans to people with low down payments and average credit has always been their target niche.


Because in the past, their focus wasn't to keep the housing market (and, by a stretch, "the US Economy") afloat, but instead to lend to people who were otherwise able to pay their mortgage. Maybe they've always been this bad, but the based on what I've seen (and heard, for example, about the FHA's ability to cover their losses with their own premiums and not need additional outside funding from taxpayers), this is a recent problem.

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Or this one:

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Assuming we wanted the plots in these charts to trend downward, what course of action should the FHA take?
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subgenius wrote:
Analytics wrote:Sounds like what one would call an FHA loan.

Given that the FHA has never required a bailout in history, I'm inclined to think that they aren't the ones who drove the crisis.

The standards for FHA loans haven't changed that much over the years. In general, the loans that caused the bubble were taken out by people who couldn't qualify for FHA loans.

ehem...
http://www.hud.gov/offices/adm/about/ad ... y.cfm#1930

From your citation:
the National Housing Act of 1934 was passed to relieve unemployment and stimulate the release of private credit in the hands of banks and lending institutions for home repairs and construction. To accomplish this, the Act of 1934 created the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). The FHA continues to this day, under the Assistant Secretary for Housing-Federal Housing Commissioner, as the main federal agency handling mortgage insurance. Title II of the Act of 1934 established two basic mortgage insurance programs: Section 203 mortgage insurance for one to four family homes; and Section 207 multifamily project mortgages. The FHA’s assumption of risk, through its insurance programs, made possible the amortization of mortgage loans with regular monthly payments to reduce the size of loan…..
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