The Party of Racism: Guess Who?

[_Tarski]

Most conservatives were not against the civil rights movement per se but against certain features or aspects of it, and certain aspects of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I was there.

50 years of living with conservatives as they repeatedly resisted social progress leaves no room for doubt.
I was there. I was even one of them (an ETB conservative) before I knew better.
I was ETB's son's home teaching companion. I got political lectures from him constantly. I lived in DC all through the 60s and 70s and listened to conservative Mormons talk race and gender.

I was there. You aren't fooling anybody with your revisionist links.
You fools even tried to tell me that the beatles were in cahoots with satan. Assholes.

[_moksha]

The Utah Republican Congressional delegation voted a unanimous no to the Civil Right Act. Fortunately there were some Republicans that voted yes, unfortunately if they were still in office they would be deemed RINOs by Droopy and Bc.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

You fools even tried to tell me that the beatles were in cahoots with satan. Assholes.

Everyone knows that the Beatles weren't in league with el Diablo.

They were an Illuminati front!

I love the music either way.

[_subgenius]

...(snip)...I was there. You aren't fooling anybody with your revisionist links...

this reads like something a guard at Auschwitz would say at the Nuremberg trials.

DR. KAUFFMANN: There is no doubt that the longer the war lasted, the larger became the number of the ill-treated and tortured inmates. Whenever you inspected the concentration camps did you not learn something of this state of affairs through complaints, et cetera, or do you consider that the conditions which have been described are more or less due to excesses?
HOESS: These so-called ill-treatments and this torturing in concentration camps, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners that were liberated by the occupying armies, were not, as assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual leaders, subleaders, and men who laid violent hands on internees.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Do you mean you never took cognizance of these matters?
HOESS: If in any way such a case came to be known, then the perpetrator was, of course, immediately relieved of his post or transferred somewhere else. So that, even if he were not punished f or lack of evidence to prove his guilt, even then, he was taken away from the internees and given another position.
DR. KAUFFMANN: To what do you attribute the particularly bad and shameful conditions, which were ascertained by the entering Allied troops, and which to a certain extent were photographed and filmed?
HOESS: The catastrophic situation. at the end of the war was due to the fact that, as a result of the destruction of the railway network and of the continuous bombing of the industrial plants, care for these masses--I am thinking of Auschwitz with its 140,000 internees--could no longer be assured. Improvised measures, truck columns, and everything else tried by the commanders to improve the situation were of little or no avail; it was no longer possible. The number of the sick became immense. There were next to no medical supplies; epidemics raged everywhere. Internees who were capable of work were used over and over again. By order of the Reichsfáhrer, even half-sick people had to be used wherever possible in industry. As a result every bit of space in the concentration. camps which could possibly be used for lodging was overcrowded with sick and dying prisoners.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/f ... stest.html

[_ldsfaqs]

Most conservatives were not against the civil rights movement per se but against certain features or aspects of it, and certain aspects of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I was there.

50 years of living with conservatives as they repeatedly resisted social progress leaves no room for doubt.
I was there. I was even one of them (an ETB conservative) before I knew better.
I was ETB's son's home teaching companion. I got political lectures from him constantly. I lived in DC all through the 60s and 70s and listened to conservative Mormons talk race and gender.

I was there. You aren't fooling anybody with your revisionist links.
You fools even tried to tell me that the beatles were in cahoots with satan. Assholes.

Bull crap, you were there but didn't learn a thing. We said we know that some conservatives resisted the civil rights movement, but you don't actually address the issue. You claim racism, while we who have read their words and and know the history know it was because of the law, and not being "anarchists". Sure, liberal anarchists were involved in the civil rights movement, and conservatives who simply wanted change.

We know this is when liberals (most young) started to "change" and be less racist and also when they started getting their power to truly change this country, taking over the Democrat party. We are not denying the facts, just your misuse of them and your false conclusions.

Bottom line it was Republicans who actually did the laws FOR blacks, not Democrats, not liberals. Liberals were mostly whinny flower children, people like Kerry, Jane Fonda and others. Sure, Conservatives were not these people, who would want to be?

[_Droopy]

Most conservatives were not against the civil rights movement per se but against certain features or aspects of it, and certain aspects of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I was there.

50 years of living with conservatives as they repeatedly resisted social progress leaves no room for doubt.
I was there. I was even one of them (an ETB conservative) before I knew better.
I was ETB's son's home teaching companion. I got political lectures from him constantly. I lived in DC all through the 60s and 70s and listened to conservative Mormons talk race and gender.

I was there. You aren't fooling anybody with your revisionist links.
You fools even tried to tell me that the beatles were in cahoots with satan. Assholes.

An anti-intellectual rant of this kind deserves no response, and, given that the majority of your posting history falls into this category, I suppose this means that we won't be discussing much in future.

[_beastie]

On the thread "The Problem with Black Folks", droopy said the following:
Post subject: Re: The problem with black folks...
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:39 pm

Blah, blah, blah and, if I may say so myself, blah.

The following is among the best explications of the relationship of early modern conservatism to the early civil rights movement I've found, and contains the nuance, required intellectual background, and intellectual honesty that Beastie et al refuse steadfastly to bring to the table of discussion.

http://www.claremont.org/publications/c ... detail.asp

viewtopic.php?p=704392#p704392

The article that he admired, and said I would refuse to bring to the table of discussion, had, in fact, already been linked to and heavily cited by….beastie. Me. This is what I said about the article:
Post subject: Re: The problem with black folks...
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:23 pm

http://www.claremont.org/publications/c ... detail.asp

by the way, this linked article is excellent and as balanced as I've ever seen on the subject.

viewtopic.php?p=702847#p702847
I then quoted half the article.

What does droopy hope to gain by refusing to admit his error?
Time to man up, Droopy.

[_Droopy]

...(snip)...I was there. You aren't fooling anybody with your revisionist links...

this reads like something a guard at Auschwitz would say at the Nuremberg trials.

DR. KAUFFMANN: There is no doubt that the longer the war lasted, the larger became the number of the ill-treated and tortured inmates. Whenever you inspected the concentration camps did you not learn something of this state of affairs through complaints, et cetera, or do you consider that the conditions which have been described are more or less due to excesses?
HOESS: These so-called ill-treatments and this torturing in concentration camps, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners that were liberated by the occupying armies, were not, as assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual leaders, subleaders, and men who laid violent hands on internees.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Do you mean you never took cognizance of these matters?
HOESS: If in any way such a case came to be known, then the perpetrator was, of course, immediately relieved of his post or transferred somewhere else. So that, even if he were not punished f or lack of evidence to prove his guilt, even then, he was taken away from the internees and given another position.
DR. KAUFFMANN: To what do you attribute the particularly bad and shameful conditions, which were ascertained by the entering Allied troops, and which to a certain extent were photographed and filmed?
HOESS: The catastrophic situation. at the end of the war was due to the fact that, as a result of the destruction of the railway network and of the continuous bombing of the industrial plants, care for these masses--I am thinking of Auschwitz with its 140,000 internees--could no longer be assured. Improvised measures, truck columns, and everything else tried by the commanders to improve the situation were of little or no avail; it was no longer possible. The number of the sick became immense. There were next to no medical supplies; epidemics raged everywhere. Internees who were capable of work were used over and over again. By order of the Reichsfáhrer, even half-sick people had to be used wherever possible in industry. As a result every bit of space in the concentration. camps which could possibly be used for lodging was overcrowded with sick and dying prisoners.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/f ... stest.html

Tarski also sees the seas rising, the world's glaciers melting, superstorms brooding, and nearly a decade of record winter storms and Antarctic winter ice cover as signs of human caused global warming.

He was there and, as Walter Cronkite used to say, "And that's the way it is."

[_beastie]

On the thread "The Problem with Black Folks", droopy said the following:
Post subject: Re: The problem with black folks...
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:39 pm

Blah, blah, blah and, if I may say so myself, blah.

The following is among the best explications of the relationship of early modern conservatism to the early civil rights movement I've found, and contains the nuance, required intellectual background, and intellectual honesty that Beastie et al refuse steadfastly to bring to the table of discussion.

http://www.claremont.org/publications/c ... detail.asp

viewtopic.php?p=704392#p704392

The article that he admired, and said I would refuse to bring to the table of discussion, had, in fact, already been linked to and heavily cited by….beastie. Me. This is what I said about the article:
Post subject: Re: The problem with black folks...
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:23 pm

http://www.claremont.org/publications/c ... detail.asp

by the way, this linked article is excellent and as balanced as I've ever seen on the subject.

viewtopic.php?p=702847#p702847
I then quoted half the article.

What does droopy hope to gain by refusing to admit his error?
Time to man up, Droopy.

[_Tarski]

The party of racism is the republican party.
It is also the party of creationism, separatism, gun worship, denialism, birtherism, religious intolerance, obstructionism, and dominionism.
It is the party of Big Oil, of pollution, of sexism, of Donald Trump, of deregulation (fecal matter and human flesh in yer meat deregulation).

It is bizzarly the party of Ayn Rand that uses Jesus' name.
It the party that Jesus was talking about when he said,

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew ye: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Recently it is has become the party of insane revisionism (which it covers up by throwing out that very accusation---my my what a clever ploy).

It is the party of fundamentalism; The republican party is to the US what the Muslim brotherhood is to Egypt.

It is the party of "rape is blessing" and "embryology is a lie from the pit of hell".

It is the party of Droopy .....and that says it all.