Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Darth J wrote:Yes. Unless you are a member of, or have lived among, every conceivable demographic group under which humans could be categorized, you are a hypocrite for advocating equal rights for everyone.

That is, after all, how people form value judgments, and why only antebellum plantation owners were competent to form an opinion about slavery.


Don't you think it'd be helpful to live among Black people if you're going to talk on their behalf?

It's almost like an inactive Catholic-Mormon posting this board about things he asserts are Mormon, but are patently false.

- Doc

ETA: For example, even though I think she's a hypocrite, I absolutely believe Ms. Jack makes on-the-spot observations about Mormonism because she gets it. Why? Welp... She has lived among Mormons for a good portion of her life, and she understands their mindset, culture, and ideology. She's a subject matter expert.

So. Yes. I think living amongst a demographic you're going to... Whatever... Is absolutely helpful to your cause.
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Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Darth J wrote:Yes. Unless you are a member of, or have lived among, every conceivable demographic group under which humans could be categorized, you are a hypocrite for advocating equal rights for everyone.

That is, after all, how people form value judgments, and why only antebellum plantation owners were competent to form an opinion about slavery.


Don't you think it'd be helpful to live among Black people if you're going to talk on their behalf?

It's almost like an inactive Catholic-Mormon posting this board about things he asserts are Mormon, but are patently false.

- Doc


No, that's terrible reasoning. Talking on behalf of the same legal rights for everyone, irrespective of race, is not "talking on behalf of black people."

Since you imply that you have lived in an area with a higher black population than, say, Utah or Montana, that means you only get to say Caucasians and African Americans get equal rights. But you are not able to say as a value judgment that you think Vietnamese, Jewish, Iranian, or Navajo people are also entitled to equality until you have lived in their neighborhoods, too. So what we'll do is invert the American political value of equality under the law and Balkanize it, so that you're only qualified to advocate for equal rights for your immediate neighbors, not the country at large.

Because that makes a lot of damned sense.

ETA: For example, even though I think she's a hypocrite, I absolutely believe Ms. Jack makes on-the-spot observations about Mormonism because she gets it. Why? Welp... She has lived among Mormons for a good portion of her life, and she understands their mindset, culture, and ideology. She's a subject matter expert.

So. Yes. I think living amongst a demographic you're going to... Whatever... Is absolutely helpful to your cause.


Therefore, until MsJack has lived among Wiccans, Scientologists, Anglicans, Quakers, Buddhists, Sikhs, Anabaptists, agnostics, and Lutherans, it would be hypocritical for her to say that everyone is entitled to freedom of religion.
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Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Wait.

You're talking about reasoning?

Wouldn't it be helpful to offer a good assessment of something if you have experience, not Internet experience, with said something?

Holy crap. I thought you were a rational man.

Ok. From now I can simply say whatever because I have a voice box. Ladies and Gentlemen we have now officially met the point where Simon Belmont and Mr. DarthJ meet along the circle of psychology.

Bingo!

- Doc
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Wait.

You're talking about reasoning?

Wouldn't it be helpful to offer a good assessment of something if you have experience, not Internet experience, with said something?

Holy crap. I thought you were a rational man.

Ok. From now I can simply say whatever because I have a voice box. Ladies and Gentlemen we have now officially met the point where Simon Belmont and Mr. DarthJ meet along the circle of psychology.

Bingo!

- Doc


That's great. Go ahead and articulate how it is unreasonable for me to hold the political value judgment that everyone should have the same legal rights, regardless of race, unless I have lived among every ethnic group into which humans divide themselves.

Speaking of Simon Belmont, please continue to press the issue of your inability to tell the difference between a fact and a value judgment.
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Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Wait.

Mr. LDSFaqs.

What is your experience living among Black people?

This might be helpful to educate the forum on your experiences.

- Doc
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Darth J wrote:
That's great. Go ahead and articulate how it is unreasonable for me to hold the political value judgment that everyone should have the same legal rights, regardless of race, unless I have lived among every ethnic group into which humans divide themselves.

Speaking of Simon Belmont, please continue to press the issue of your inability to tell the difference between a fact and a value judgment.


Well, apparently everything is an apple with you now when it comes to legal matters, and understanding demographics.

Trayvon Martin wasn't a young Black thug. He was a Christ-like angel gunned down by a White Supremacist Hispanic with a grudge against teenage Black boys.

Trayvon totally didn't attack GZ because GZ was a White Supremacist paranoid schizophrenic.

See?

I can say things.

How I imagine Mr. Darth J when he posts on MDB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itmNiTwHOsM

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Darth J wrote:
That's great. Go ahead and articulate how it is unreasonable for me to hold the political value judgment that everyone should have the same legal rights, regardless of race, unless I have lived among every ethnic group into which humans divide themselves.

Speaking of Simon Belmont, please continue to press the issue of your inability to tell the difference between a fact and a value judgment.


Well, apparently everything is an apple with you now when it comes to legal matters, and understanding demographics.

Trayvon Martin wasn't a young Black thug. He was a Christ-like angel gunned down by a White Supremacist Hispanic with a grudge against teenage Black boys.

Trayvon totally didn't attack GZ because GZ was a White Supremacist paranoid schizophrenic.

See?

I can say things.

How I imagine Mr. Darth J when he posts on MDB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itmNiTwHOsM

- Doc


What I said in defense of Travyon Martin and/or my opinion one way or the other that George Zimmerman is guilty:

[copy and paste what I said here]
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Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Uh...

Once again...

You live around Black people?

- Doc
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Uh...

Once again...

You live around Black people?

- Doc


Yeah, I do. Not a lot, because it's Utah, but there are black people and Arabic people and Indian (from India) and all kinds of other ethnicities and nationalities here. And the black clients I have had have sometimes been worried about their ethnicity being a factor in how they were treated by the courts. The first case I ever had in the Utah Court of Appeals was representing a client who was black: http://law.justia.com/cases/utah/court- ... 61203.html

The Court of Appeals failed to mention that the child who was over 18 was himself paying child support for a child he had fathered. And I can't discuss much more about that case because it is between me and a former client. ETA: I just re-read my brief, which is a public record. The "child" was paying child support for two different children whom he had fathered.

I also live around Latinos, who also seem to be disproportionately stopped by police and/or charged with certain criminal activity

Anyway, do you feel that your inexplicable BS of characterizing me as a Trayvon Martin apologist will at any point refer to something I ever said in his defense? Or are you just kind of reliving your good old Mormon days and repeating a story you made up until it's true?
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Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

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Ok.

So Mr. DarthJ is talking out his ass.

Make of that what you will.

- Doc

ETA: The Utah Jazz get Jazz because they bought a franchise called the Jazz.

DarthJ is a Subject Matter Expert!

Welp.

Guess he can't admit fault like he wants Mormons to admit admit fault!
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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