Bible verse by verse

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Agree!

The primary assumption behind this most recent 5,000 word wall-of-text is that the author's supernatural belief system is better than everybody else's supernatural belief system.

In other words, my god can beat up your god, so there!

[_LittleNipper]

Agree!

The primary assumption behind this most recent 5,000 word wall-of-text is that the author's supernatural belief system is better than everybody else's supernatural belief system.

In other words, my god can beat up your god, so there!

The basic problem is that you do not seem to believe in anything but yourself. However, as you get old ---and you will (unless you die young), you will find that you will not enjoy life quite so much, and you will see how insignificant your personal values really are.................... You will also begin to see that people who imagine that they can earn the adoration of God are only fooling themselves and are without a Savior.

[Guest]

Deuteronomy 13:1-18 A man who tells what is going to happen or a dreamer of dreams may come. He may have special abilities to see or do a powerful work. And what he says MAY even happen and come true. But if he says, ‘Let's follow gods (whom are different) and let's worship them,’ Israel is not listen to the words of that man who says what will happen or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is putting them to the test to see if they love the Lord God with all their heart and with all their soul. Follow the Lord God and fear Him. Keep His Laws, and listen to His voice. Work for Him, and hold on to Him. But that man who tells what is going to happen or that dreamer of dreams must die, because he has talked about turning away from the Lord God Who brought Israel from the land of Egypt and setting them free from the land where they were servants. That man tried to misdirect the way the Lord God told said to walk.

Your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your friend who is as your own soul, might tempt you in secret. They might say, ‘Let's go and worship other gods.' They might be gods of other nations --- both near or far. They are not to agree with or listen to such. Do not pity or show him loving-kindness or hide him. He must be put to death. Kill him with stones, because he has tried to turn away Israel from the Lord God Who brought you out of the land of Egypt. All Israel will hear and be afraid. No one will do such a sinful thing among them again.

Israel might hear that in one of the cities the Lord God has provided that some men of no worth have gone out from among the citizens to tempt those who live in the city. They might say, ‘Let us go and worship other gods,’ (whom you have not known). Then ask around and try to find out if this is true. If it is true that this sinful thing has been done among Israel, they must be sure to go against those of that city with the sword. Destroy all of it--- cattle& all, with the sword. Then gather all that is left into the center of the city. Burn the city and all that is left in it with fire as a whole burnt gift to the Lord God. Destroyed forever. It will never be built again. Let nothing of the things to be destroyed be kept in your own hand so the Lord may turn from His burning anger and show loving-kindness. He will demonstrate loving-pity and make Israel a nation of many, just as He promised. They must listen to the voice of the Lord God.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 `When there ariseth in your midst a prophet, or a dreamer of a dream, and he hath given unto thee a sign or wonder,

2 and the sign and the wonder hath come which he hath spoken of unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods (which thou hast not known), and serve them,

3 thou dost not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of the dream, for Jehovah your God is trying you, to know whether ye are loving Jehovah your God with all your heart, and with all your soul;

4 after Jehovah your God ye walk, and Him ye fear, and His commands ye keep, and to His voice ye hearken, and Him ye serve, and to Him ye cleave.

5 `And that prophet, or that dreamer of the dream, is put to death, for he hath spoken apostacy against Jehovah your God (who is bringing you out of the land of Egypt, and hath ransomed you out of a house of servants), to drive you out of the way in which Jehovah thy God hath commanded thee to walk, and thou hast put away the evil thing from thy midst.

6 `When thy brother -- son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend who [is] as thine own soul -- doth move thee, in secret, saying, Let us go and serve other gods -- (which thou hast not known, thou and thy fathers,

7 of the gods of the peoples who [are] round about you, who are near unto thee, or who are far off from thee, from the end of the earth even unto the end of the earth) --

8 thou dost not consent to him, nor hearken unto him, nor doth thine eye have pity on him, nor dost thou spare, nor dost thou cover him over.

9 `But thou dost surely kill him; thy hand is on him, in the first place, to put him to death, and the hand of all the people last;

10 and thou hast stoned him with stones, and he hath died, for he hath sought to drive thee away from Jehovah thy God, who is bringing thee out of the land of Egypt, out of a house of servants;

11 and all Israel do hear and fear, and add not to do like this evil thing in thy midst.

12 `When thou hearest, in one of thy cities which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee to dwell there, [one] saying,

13 Men, sons of worthlessness, have gone out of thy midst, and they force away the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known --

14 and thou hast enquired, and searched, and asked diligently, and lo, truth; the thing is established; this abomination hath been done in thy midst:

15 `Thou dost surely smite the inhabitants of that city by the mouth of the sword; devoting it, and all that [is] in it, even its cattle, by the mouth of the sword;

16 and all its spoil thou dost gather unto the midst of its broad place, and hast burned with fire the city and all its spoil completely, before Jehovah thy God, and it hath been a heap age-during, it is not built any more;

17 and there doth not cleave to thy hand any of the devoted thing, so that Jehovah doth turn back from the fierceness of His anger, and hath given to thee mercies, and loved thee, and multiplied thee, as He hath sworn to thy fathers,

18 when thou dost hearken to the voice of Jehovah thy God, to keep all his commands which I am commanding thee to-day, to do that which [is] right in the eyes of Jehovah thy God.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Agree!

The primary assumption behind this most recent 5,000 word wall-of-text is that the author's supernatural belief system is better than everybody else's supernatural belief system.

In other words, my god can beat up your god, so there!

The basic problem is that you do not seem to believe in anything but yourself. However, as you get old ---and you will (unless you die young), you will find that you will not enjoy life quite so much, and you will see how insignificant your personal values really are.................... You will also begin to see that people who imagine that they can earn the adoration of God are only fooling themselves and are without a Savior.

So what you're trying to say here is that all those nice, friendly Muslims who make such wonderful baklava are all going to hell?

Dude, are you serious?

You're really sending all those nice Muslims to hell?

That's not very nice, Nipper, not very nice at all.

Maybe the reason why you're so grouchy is because you've never had baklava, because Heaven just wouldn't be Heaven without Baklava.

I bet Jesus positively absolutely loves baklava, because I certainly do.

Maybe you'd feel a little better about letting Muslims into Heaven if you had some baklava.

Here, have a bite, just one little teensy tiny bite...

[_ludwigm]

My very last mite (Luke 12:59):

I don't like baklava. It is cloying.

I don't like Quran. It is full of senseless sentences - I did read it in Hungarian, German and English, same result. Not a wonder, muslims say it can not be translated, everybody should learn and chant the SURAs in Arabic, even they don't know Arabic.
Abracadabra, Manel Tekel Phares, Pape Satan Pape Satan Aleppe, le vierge le vivace et le bel aujourd'hui.

Act like a lunatic and you will be inscrutable forever. Abracadabra, Manel Tekel Phares, Pape Satan Pape Satan Aleppe, le vierge le vivace et le bel aujourd'hui. Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. The Templars' mental confusion makes them indecipherable. That's why so many people venerate them.
- Umberto Eco

I don't like people - like LittleNipper - who force down into my throat their scriptures...

[_LittleNipper]

My very last mite (Luke 12:59):

I don't like baklava. It is cloying.

I don't like Quran. It is full of senseless sentences - I did read it in Hungarian, German and English, same result. Not a wonder, muslims say it can not be translated, everybody should learn and chant the SURAs in Arabic, even they don't know Arabic.
Abracadabra, Manel Tekel Phares, Pape Satan Pape Satan Aleppe, le vierge le vivace et le bel aujourd'hui.

Act like a lunatic and you will be inscrutable forever. Abracadabra, Manel Tekel Phares, Pape Satan Pape Satan Aleppe, le vierge le vivace et le bel aujourd'hui. Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. The Templars' mental confusion makes them indecipherable. That's why so many people venerate them.
- Umberto Eco

I don't like people - like LittleNipper - who force down into my throat their scriptures...

I'm certainly not forcing anything down anyone's throat. I present the Bible as I feel the Holy Spirit has revealed it for my understanding. I copy and paste it for people to simply read it. I present my take on what the portion of scripture is saying. If you don't like my understanding, please feel free to present one of you own. However, the Bible is what it is. I feel sorry for people who feel threatened. The light will reveal dirt that many rather not see..... However, if people believe that they are clean, when in fact they are dirty, they are most likely making themselves ill (any doctor will tell you as much). The renewing feature of Christ's salvation, does make one feel clean again, and brings renewed hope for a joyous eternity with a loving God.

[_LittleNipper]

The basic problem is that you do not seem to believe in anything but yourself. However, as you get old ---and you will (unless you die young), you will find that you will not enjoy life quite so much, and you will see how insignificant your personal values really are.................... You will also begin to see that people who imagine that they can earn the adoration of God are only fooling themselves and are without a Savior.

So what you're trying to say here is that all those nice, friendly Muslims who make such wonderful baklava are all going to hell?

Dude, are you serious?

You're really sending all those nice Muslims to hell?

That's not very nice, Nipper, not very nice at all.

Maybe the reason why you're so grouchy is because you've never had baklava, because Heaven just wouldn't be Heaven without Baklava.

I bet Jesus positively absolutely loves baklava, because I certainly do.

Maybe you'd feel a little better about letting Muslims into Heaven if you had some baklava.

Here, have a bite, just one little teensy tiny bite...

I never sent anyone to hell ---- either nice or evil. They go there because they are not perfect and have rejected God's GIFT of personal salvation which only comes through Jesus Christ Our Lord. Baking great baklava has nothing to do with it. And there are actually Christian Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Chinese, Italians, French, Americans, etc., etc., etc., who would totally understand and be in full agreement. And I'm very sure that there are excellent bakers among them........................................

[Guest]

Deuteronomy 14:1-29 Israelites belong to the Lord God. They are not to follow pagan customs when people die. They are a holy nation chosen of God. Do not eat any hated thing. They may eat: bull, sheep, goat, deer, gazelle, roebuck, wild goat, ibex, antelope, and mountain sheep. They may eat any animal that has a parted foot divided in two and that chews its food again. They must not eat of those that rechew food they've eaten or have a divided foot: camel, rabbit and the rock badger. For though they eat their food again in one way or another, they do not have a divided foot. They are unclean for Israelites. They are not to eat pig, because it has a divided foot but does not chew its food again. It is unclean to Israelites. They are not to eat any of their flesh or touch their dead bodies.
Of all that are in the water, they may eat anything that has fins and scales. But do not eat anything that does not have fins and scales. It is unclean for them. They may eat any clean bird. But these are the ones they may not eat: the eagle, vulture, buzzard, red kite, falcon, every kind of kite, every kind of raven, the ostrich, every kind of owl, the sea gull, every kind of hawk, pelican, vulture, cormorant, stork, every kind of heron, hoopoe, or even bats. All flying bugs are unclean for Israel. They may eat any clean bird. They may never eat anything that dies of itself, but they may give it to the strangers in town, so he may have something to eat. They may also sell it to a person from another land. They may not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk. Be sure to give a tenth part to the Lord of all they grow in the field every year. Before the Lord God, at the place He chooses to put His name, they may eat the tenth part of the grain, new wine, oil, and the first-born of cattle and flock. Then they may learn to fear the Lord God. If the place where the Lord God chooses to put His name is too far away for one to bring the tenth part of all the good things he have received, then trade it for money. Take the money in hand and go to the place which the Lord God chooses. They may spend the money for whatever their heart may desire, bulls, sheep, wine, strong drink, or whatever wanted. And there everyone of the household may eat before the Lord and be content. Do not stop caring for the Levite who is in town for he has no share of what is given to. At the end of every third year they should bring the tenth part of that year’s grain to town. The Levite who has no share of what is given, and the stranger, and the orphant, and the widow, who are in town, may come and eat and be filled. Then the Lord God will bring about good for all the work accomplished by the Israelites hand.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 `Sons ye [are] to Jehovah your God; ye do not cut yourselves, nor make baldness between your eyes for the dead;

2 for a holy people [art] thou to Jehovah thy God, and on thee hath Jehovah fixed to be to Him for a people, a peculiar treasure, out of all the peoples who [are] on the face of the ground.

3 `Thou dost not eat any abominable thing;

4 `this [is] the beast which ye do eat: ox, lamb of the sheep, or kid of the goats,

5 hart, and roe, and fallow deer, and wild goat, and pygarg, and wild ox, and chamois;

6 and every beast dividing the hoof, and cleaving the cleft into two hoofs, bringing up the cud, among the beasts -- it ye do eat.

7 `Only, this ye do not eat, of those bringing up the cud, and of those dividing the cloven hoof: the camel, and the hare, and the rabbit, for they are bringing up the cud but the hoof have not divided; unclean they [are] to you;

8 and the sow, for it is dividing the hoof, and not [bringing] up the cud, unclean it [is] to you; of their flesh ye do not eat, and against their carcase ye do not come.

9 `This ye do eat of all that [are] in the waters; all that hath fins and scales ye do eat;

10 and anything which hath not fins and scales ye do not eat; unclean it [is] to you.

11 `Any clean bird ye do eat;

12 and these [are] they of which ye do not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

13 and the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after its kind,

14 and every raven after its kind;

15 and the owl, and the night-hawk, and the cuckoo, and the hawk after its kind;

16 the [little] owl, and the [great] owl, and the swan,

17 and the pelican, and the gier-eagle, and the cormorant,

18 and the stork, and the heron after its kind, and the lapwing, and the bat;

19 and every teeming thing which is flying, unclean it [is] to you; they are not eaten;

20 any clean fowl ye do eat.

21 `Ye do not eat of any carcase; to the sojourner who [is] within thy gates thou dost give it, and he hath eaten it; or sell [it] to a stranger; for a holy people thou [art] to Jehovah thy God; thou dost not boil a kid in its mother's milk.

22 `Thou dost certainly tithe all the increase of thy seed which the field is bringing forth year by year;

23 and thou hast eaten before Jehovah thy God, in the place where He doth choose to cause His name to tabernacle, the tithe of thy corn, of thy new wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herd, and of thy flock, so that thou dost learn to fear Jehovah thy God all the days.

24 `And when the way is too much for thee, that thou art not able to carry it -- when the place is too far off from thee which Jehovah thy God doth choose to put His name there, when Jehovah thy God doth bless thee; --

25 then thou hast given [it] in money, and hast bound up the money in thy hand, and gone unto the place on which Jehovah thy God doth fix;

26 and thou hast given the money for any thing which thy soul desireth, for oxen, and for sheep, and for wine, and for strong drink, and for any thing which thy soul asketh, and thou hast eaten there before Jehovah thy God, and thou hast rejoiced, thou and thy house.

27 As to the Levite who [is] within thy gates, thou dost not forsake him, for he hath no portion and inheritance with thee.

28 `At the end of three years thou dost bring out all the tithe of thine increase in that year, and hast placed [it] within thy gates;

29 and come in hath the Levite (for he hath no part and inheritance with thee), and the sojourner, and the fatherless, and the widow, who [are] within thy gates, and they have eaten, and been satisfied, so that Jehovah thy God doth bless thee in all the work of thy hand which thou dost.

[_ludwigm]

and the hare, and the rabbit, for they are bringing up the cud

I don't care what was and what wasn't unclean for a primitive tribe three thousand years before - or even now.

One thing is clear.
Hares and rabbits don't bring up the cud.

You cites us not only unnecessary things but stupidities.


- And I like hasenpfeffer (Hasenpfeffer is a traditional German stew made from marinated rabbit or hare, cut into stewing-meat sized pieces and braised with onions and a marinade made from wine and vinegar.)


Even out of kangaroo...

[_LittleNipper]

and the hare, and the rabbit, for they are bringing up the cud

I don't care what was and what wasn't unclean for a primitive tribe three thousand years before - or even now.

One thing is clear.
Hares and rabbits don't bring up the cud.

You cites us not only unnecessary things but stupidities.


- And I like hasenpfeffer (Hasenpfeffer is a traditional German stew made from marinated rabbit or hare, cut into stewing-meat sized pieces and braised with onions and a marinade made from wine and vinegar.)


Even out of kangaroo...

The truth is stranger than fiction. The reality is that a rabbit is far dirtier. It selectively eats its own poop for its nutritianal value. Please see: http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/poop.html
The simple fact is that the rabbit regularly eats what it chewed before... It just takes it from its own anus (rather then regurgitating it) and chews away....