Bible verse by verse

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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Bazooka wrote:Nipper, to explore your comments further let me ask this.
Job (/ˈdʒoʊb/; Hebrew: אִיּוֹב, Modern Iyyov Tiberian ʾIyyôḇ) is the central character of the Book of Job in the Bible. The story is also related in the Quran. Job (Arabic: أيّوب, Ayyūb‎) is considered a prophet in Islam and in rabbinical literature Iyov (אִיּוֹב). is called one of the prophets of the Gentiles.[1]
In the Book of Job he is presented as a family man who lives a good and prosperous life, but is eventually beset with horrendous disasters that take away all he has, including his family, his health, and his property. Job struggles to understand his situation and begins a long search for the right path that will get him out of his extremely difficult situation. Against all odds, with God's help, Job is restored to a semblance of his earlier existence.


Do you think the Christians in the Philippines needed the trial of this devastation for their faith, trust and understanding to grow?



This isn't going away....
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
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Bazooka wrote:Not according to a senior figure in the LDS Church....
Keith B. McMullin, who for 37 years served within the Mormon leadership and now heads a church-owned holding company, Deseret Management Corp. (DMC), an umbrella organization for many of the church’s for-profit businesses. “We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... make-money

However, that's his view not mine.

actually it is your view as well, that is why temporal means what it means to you. Besides, the statement - as has been proven before - is accurate.

Bazooka wrote:Nipper, to explore your comments further let me ask this.
Job (/ˈdʒoʊb/; Hebrew: אִיּוֹב, Modern Iyyov Tiberian ʾIyyôḇ) is the central character of the Book of Job in the Bible. The story is also related in the Quran. Job (Arabic: أيّوب, Ayyūb‎) is considered a prophet in Islam and in rabbinical literature Iyov (אִיּוֹב). is called one of the prophets of the Gentiles.[1]
In the Book of Job he is presented as a family man who lives a good and prosperous life, but is eventually beset with horrendous disasters that take away all he has, including his family, his health, and his property. Job struggles to understand his situation and begins a long search for the right path that will get him out of his extremely difficult situation. Against all odds, with God's help, Job is restored to a semblance of his earlier existence.


Do you think the Christians in the Philippines needed the trial of this devastation for their faith, trust and understanding to grow?

First, the Phillipines is Christian...but dominated by Catholicism...it is the 3rd largest catholic nation in the world.
Second, you obviously have never studied the scriptures...even casually......otherwise you would find that God never puts trials upon the unrighteous.
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Bazooka wrote:Do you think the Christians in the Philippines needed the trial of this devastation for their faith, trust and understanding to grow?

Absolutely...without a doubt....obviously....and of course they did....and that is exactly what is occurring.
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Gunnar wrote:
Actually it is not "ironclad proof" of anything.....it could just as well be that among these seemingly contradictory systems only one is true and the others are not'

Sorry, but that makes not the slightest bit of sense. Even if one of these contradictory systems really is true, the unreliability of the religious approach is still established beyond all reasonable doubt, and the more of these mutually contradictory systems there are, the stronger is the proof of the unreliability of that approach. What you are saying is like arguing that playing the lottery is a reliable source of income because once in millions of tries, someone might win the jackpot! That you still can't understand or admit this is a source of endless amusement to me that I chuckle about almost daily! What makes it all the more ridiculous is that you have no way of demonstrating beyond reasonable doubt that anyone has ever actually "won the jackpot" by that means!

your metaphor is inaccurate.
what i am saying is that I believe if you win the lottery you can only do so if you play...what you are saying is that you believe that one can win the lottery without playing.
and with that
the stronger proof is against you.

as for reasonable doubt, it has been provided countless time in countless places - your refusal to accept it does not render it false...but it does explain your propensity for "self amusement".
Point, being it is absurd to put pearls before swine.
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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subgenius wrote:
Bazooka wrote:Do you think the Christians in the Philippines needed the trial of this devastation for their faith, trust and understanding to grow?

Absolutely...without a doubt....obviously....and of course they did....and that is exactly what is occurring.


*speechless*
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subgenius wrote:your metaphor is inaccurate.
what i am saying is that I believe if you win the lottery you can only do so if you play...what you are saying is that you believe that one can win the lottery without playing.
and with that
the stronger proof is against you.

as for reasonable doubt, it has been provided countless time in countless places - your refusal to accept it does not render it false...but it does explain your propensity for "self amusement".
Point, being it is absurd to put pearls before swine.

You continue to amaze and amuse me!

In the first place, "playing this particular lottery" yields awfully uncertain, and a great many mutually contradictory results. I can think of no approach to discerning truth that is more unreliable than that one. Why, then, should anyone ever place any trust in it?

In the second place, I and many others tried this game for years without ever getting any answers that we could unequivocally attribute to anything other than our own imaginations and desire to believe--and, though you might call me a liar for saying so, I had a sincere and strong desire to believe. However, I eventually could no longer avoid coming to the realization that desire to believe makes one vulnerable to self-delusion and confirmation bias, and that the Book of Mormon and Mormon doctrine, in general, really had very little else (if anything) going for it other than my strong desire to believe it. When I stacked that desire to believe up against the enormous and growing evidence against LDS historical and doctrinal claims, and the evidence that Joseph Smith was a clever and charismatic con artist and sexual predator, that desire to believe eventually lost the battle, much to my initial dismay.

In the third place, what constitutes winning that "lottery?" To you, winning it is receiving divine, spiritual confirmation that the Book of Mormon is indeed true and that the LDS Church is everything it claims to be. LittleNipper and others seem equally convinced that they have divine confirmation, in answer to prayer, that the Book of Mormon and Mormonism are false and of the devil. You have been unable to come up with any reason that is even the slightest bit persuasive to conclude that your "spiritual" confirmation is more reliable than his, or Tobin's, or Albion's or that of any of the countless people whose spiritually confirmed convictions conflict with your own in any respect.

I still maintain that insisting that the religious/spiritual approach to discerning truth is reliable and effective is every bit as unreasonable as staring straight at the sun at high noon on a cloudless midsummer day and insisting that it is nighttime.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

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Bazooka wrote:[b]Do you think the Christians in the Philippines needed the trial of this devastation for their faith, trust and understanding to grow?


This isn't going away....

I believe everyone of God's children experiences growth in their faith through adversity, and I also feel that others are drawn to the Lord by adversity. The Lord allows adversity but Satan is the author of it. The Christians in the Philippines presently have a opportunity to let their light shine in a world of darkness towards their neighbors. The Christian knows that this world/time is not the end but the beginning of a perfect eternity yet to come. Non-Christians attempt to cling to the ways of this time/world and are threatened with losing their souls to an empty godless eternity.
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Bazooka wrote:Nipper.

How, in your mind, did 8 people manage all that for a year?

So, in your mind, God commanded an ark to be built, gathered all manner of beast on board, and flooded the earth - but providing safe passage for 8 people is just too much for Him to pull off......got it!
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Bazooka always seems, like Drifting was, occupied with the statement Dunn made...perhaps if Bazooka would turn to the scriptures, instead of just relying on himself, he would find the following from Alma 32
"15 Yea, he that truly humbleth himself, and repenteth of his sins, and endureth to the end, the same shall be blessed—yea, much more blessed than they who are compelled to be humble because of their exceeding poverty."
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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subgenius wrote:Bazooka always seems, like Drifting was, occupied with the statement Dunn made...perhaps if Bazooka would turn to the scriptures, instead of just relying on himself, he would find the following from Alma 32
"15 Yea, he that truly humbleth himself, and repenteth of his sins, and endureth to the end, the same shall be blessed—yea, much more blessed than they who are compelled to be humble because of their exceeding poverty."

Your problem is that you continually confuse humility with abject gullibility. Enduring to the end is no virtue when it is a euphemism for gullibility and adamant refusal to admit the possibility of being mistaken, regardless of the evidence.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
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