Bible verse by verse

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I do not need proof...

I do not need am immune to proof...

There, fixed it for ya.

[_ludwigm]

Please consider: http://www.geocentricity.com/astronomy_ ... index.html

Quintessential stupidity.


The only sensible thing on that site is the picture of the leaded glass window.

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Here is another: the north rose of Notre Dame, Paris (Quasimodo !!!)


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See the bigger resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... halger.jpg
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[_huckelberry]

Ludwigm, I was at a total loss for words. Thankyou for the picture of Notre Dame. It presents a bright spot in the crushing darkness.

It was brutal. Terminal. I am considering whether I have to declare Dr W having won all the debate. I could close the computer and go fishing.

[Guest]

I do not need proof; however, there does exist some interesting considerations to ponder.
Please consider: http://www.geocentricity.com/astronomy_ ... index.html

I agree with ludwigm. That is one of the most egregious bits of illogic and obfuscation I have ever read! The author starts out with the a priori presumption that the Bible must be true and inerrant and then procedes to ingeniously distort, ignore, malign, cherry pick and/or misrepresent seemingly contrary evidence in any way he has to or can think of to defend that initial presumption, while gullibly and uncritically accepting any obscure myth or fairytale that can be made to seem to support it. I wouldn't exactly call him stupid, however. His attempts at obfuscation show a great deal of ingenuity, as well as outright dishonesty and misunderstanding of basic, well established science. After all is said and done, as even he actually admitted (though, perhaps, inadvertently), by far the simplest and most credible explanation for the biblical account of the sun and moon standing still is that the story is purely a man-made bit of fiction. If we accept that, all the incredibly convoluted logic necessary to conclude otherwise becomes moot. Ockham's razor certainly applies in this case!

[_Gunnar]

I do not need proof...

I do not need am immune to proof...

There, fixed it for ya.

Good fix! It has long been obvious that LittleNipper is totally immune to proof of anything he does not already believe. It is sad that he cannot see how incredibly arrogant his statement is. He is in effect claiming that he cannot possibly be mistaken about the Bible being the infallible and inerrant word of God, regardless of how incontrovertible or abundant the evidence to the contrary. This is the exact opposite of humility!

[_Bazooka]

What is a problem is when theory outsteps what can be proven and duplicated as an absolute.

Can you tell us how you can prove God exists. Let me state I want proof, not a statement of what you believe.

[_ludwigm]

... obfuscation ...

This is the correct word describing that site.

Ockham's razor certainly applies in this case!

Entia non sunt multiplicanda sine necessitate.
... a concern for ontological parsimony; the principle says that one should not multiply entities beyond necessity ...

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He is considered to be one of the major figures of medieval thought

[Guest]

When the army of Israel had finished slaughtering all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire A.I. population of 12000was wiped out that day. Only the cattle and the loot were not destroyed, for the armies of Israel kept these for themselves. So A.I. became a desolate mound of trash and was this even to the day the book of Joshua was compiled. Joshua hanged the king of A.I. on a tree until evening, but as the sun was going down, he took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. There he piled a great heap of stones over it, which can still be seen even to the day of the writing of the book of Joshua.

That the Old Testament describes and clearly approves of violent atrocities like this is one of the main reasons I find it impossible to take seriously the notion that a just and benevolent God had anything to do with inspiring or leading the Israelites or inspiring the writers who chronicled these atrocities. As I have said repeatedly, I cannot believe in, much less worship a God as cruel and vindictive as that described in the Judeo-Christian Bible.

The Israelites replied to these Hivites, “How do we know you don’t live nearby? For if you do, we cannot make a treaty with you.” They replied, “We will be your slaves.” “But who are you?” Joshua demanded. “Where do you come from?” And they told him, “We are from a very distant country; we have heard of the might of the Lord your God and of all that he did in Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites—Sihon, king of Heshbon, and Og, king of Bashan. Our elders and people instructed us, ‘Prepare for a long journey; go to the people of Israel and declare our nation to be their servants, and ask for peace.’ This bread was hot from the ovens when we left, but now as you see, it is dry and moldy; these wineskins were new, but now they are old and cracked; our clothing and shoes have become worn out from our long, hard trip.”

Joshua and the other leaders finally believed them. They did not bother to ask the Lord but went ahead and signed a peace treaty. And the leaders of Israel ratified the agreement with a binding oath. Three days later the facts came out—these men were close neighbors. The Israeli army set out at once to investigate and reached their cities (named Gibeon, Chephirah, Beeroth, and Kiriath-jearim) in three days. (The cities were not harmed because of the vow which the leaders of Israel had made before the Lord God. The Israelites were angry with their leaders because of the peace treaty. These leaders replied that they have sworn before God that they will not harm them, and must let them live. If an oath is broken, the wrath of God will come.

Given what these Hivites knew about the horrible atrocities that the Israelites perpetrated on the people of A.I. and Jerico, who can blame them for using any means they could think of to avoid suffering the same fate? And why should their proximity to the Israelites have anything to do with whether the Israelites should be willing to accept a treaty of peace with them? Were the Israelites in the Old Testament forbidden to "love their neighbors as themselves" as preached by Christ?

[_subgenius]

What is a problem is when theory outsteps what can be proven and duplicated as an absolute.

Can you tell us how you can prove God exists. Let me state I want proof, not a statement of what you believe.

you mean you want something that fits in a bread box? or just something that "science" would conclude has a probability of being proof?....a probability that is somehow, magically, "feeling" appropriate to you.....

[_Bazooka]

you mean you want something that fits in a bread box? or just something that "science" would conclude has a probability of being proof?....a probability that is somehow, magically, "feeling" appropriate to you.....

No, just something that is verifiable by means other than individuals spouting a personal belief in God.