Bible verse by verse

[Guest]

I do not lie for God. I may make mistakes or have a Biblical misunderstanding of some portion of Scripture, but I would not knowingly tell a lie to someone to spread the Gospel message.

Consider the following...

God wrote the Bible using the talents He provided to a select group of individuals. In this way God edited His Word and selected exactly what He wanted recorded, when He wanted it recorded, where He wanted it recorder, how it was to be recorded and the way He wanted it recorded.

These are matters of faith and belief, and to misrepresent them as empirical facts is less than honest. Here's another, more egregious example from the link you provided...

10. If you are still not convinced, you likely have a severe spiritual problem.

Not only is this attitude fundamentally dishonest, it is also highly prejudicial and downright offensive. It is this attitude of false superiority among Xians that many unbelievers, myself included, find particularly galling.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

The reason for the website was to demonstrate to you that the Bible does say that God is the author of Bible Scripture. YOU are mistaken when you say the Bible does not present this. Go back and read the verses. LIES AGAINST GOD's WORD IS A SIN.

Authoring the Bible versus inspiring others to author said book are two very different things.

To say otherwise is less than honest.

FYI--a somewhat similar distinction lies at the heart of the debate about whether the Book of Mormon was a LOOSE translation or a TIGHT translation.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

God doesn't need liars to "protect" Him.

Then how do you account for the fact that early Xians elevated pseudopigraphical scholarship to the level of an accepted and widely imitated literary trope?

[_LittleNipper]

God doesn't need liars to "protect" Him.

Then how do you account for the fact that early Xians elevated pseudopigraphical scholarship to the level of an accepted and widely imitated literary trope?

Some things never change. Please see: http://www.thepropheticyears.com/commen ... Church.HTM

[_LittleNipper]

I do not lie for God. I may make mistakes or have a Biblical misunderstanding of some portion of Scripture, but I would not knowingly tell a lie to someone to spread the Gospel message.

Consider the following...

God wrote the Bible using the talents He provided to a select group of individuals. In this way God edited His Word and selected exactly what He wanted recorded, when He wanted it recorded, where He wanted it recorder, how it was to be recorded and the way He wanted it recorded.

These are matters of faith and belief, and to misrepresent them as empirical facts is less than honest. Here's another, more egregious example from the link you provided...

10. If you are still not convinced, you likely have a severe spiritual problem.

Not only is this attitude fundamentally dishonest, it is also highly prejudicial and downright offensive. It is this attitude of false superiority among Xians that many unbelievers, myself included, find particularly galling.

The Gospel message is offensive to those who are not brothers of Christ.
Romans 9:33, “As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
The Apostle Paul said to the Christians at Galatia, “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” (Galatians 4:16). The truth offends most people, but the Word of God teaches that we should LOVE THE TRUTH. “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” (II Thessalonians 2:10).
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." -Matthew 10:34,35

[_LittleNipper]

Joshua 14:1-15 The conquered lands of Canaan were allotted to the remaining nine and a half tribes of Israel. The decision as to which tribe would receive which area was decided by what might be understood as a game of chance before the Lord. The reality is that the Hebrews were placing their faith that God would indeed affect the draw of the dice or flip of the coin. Eleazar the priest, Joshua, and the tribal leaders supervised the lottery. Moses had already given land to the two and a half tribes on the east side of the Jordan River. The tribe of Joseph had become two separate tribes, Manasseh and Ephraim, and the Levites were given no land at all, except cities in which to live and the surrounding pasturelands for their cattle.

A delegation from the tribe of Judah, led by Caleb, came to Joshua in Gilgal. “Remember what the Lord said to Moses about you and me when we were at Kadesh-barnea?” Caleb asked Joshua. Caleb was 45 then forty years old. Moses had sent Joshua & Caleb from Kadesh-barnea to spy out the land of Canaan. They reported what I felt was the truth, but the others who went frightened the people and discouraged them from entering the Promised Land. Moses told Caleb that a section of Canaan shall belong to them descendants forever. From that time until now the Lord has kept Caleb alive and well for forty-five years since crisscrossing the wilderness --- he being eighty-five years old. He says he is as strong as when Moses sent them on that journey, and can still travel and fight as well as I could then! Caleb asks for the hill country that the Lord promised. The Anakim live there in great, walled cities, but Caleb is believes the Lord shall drive them out of the land.

So Joshua blessed Caleb and gave him Hebron (formerly known as Kiriath-arba, after a great hero of the Anakim) as a permanent inheritance because he had followed the Lord. And there was no resistance from the local populations as the Israelis resettled the land.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 And these [are] they [of] the sons of Israel who inherited in the land of Canaan, whom Eleazar the priest, and Joshua son of Nun, and the heads of the fathers of the tribes of the sons of Israel, caused to inherit;

2 by lot [is] their inheritance, as Jehovah commanded by the hand of Moses, for the nine of the tribes, and the half of the tribe;

3 for Moses hath given the inheritance of two of the tribes, and of half of the tribe, beyond the Jordan, and to the Levites he hath not given an inheritance in their midst;

4 for the sons of Joseph hath been two tribes, Manasseh and Ephraim, and they have not given a portion to the Levites in the land, except cities to dwell in, and their suburbs for their cattle, and for their possessions;

5 as Jehovah commanded Moses, so have the sons of Israel done, and they apportion the land.

6 And the sons of Judah come nigh unto Joshua in Gilgal, and Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenezzite saith unto him, `Thou hast known the word that Jehovah hath spoken unto Moses the man of God, concerning me and concerning thee in Kadesh-Barnea:

7 a son of forty years [am] I in Moses, servant of Jehovah, sending me from Kadesh-Barnea, to spy the land, and I bring him back word as with my heart;

8 and my brethren who have gone up with me have caused the heart of the people to melt, and I have been fully after Jehovah my God;

9 and Moses sweareth in that day, saying, If not -- the land on which thy foot hath trodden, to thee it is for inheritance, and to thy sons -- to the age, for thou hast been fully after Jehovah my God.

10 `And, now, lo, Jehovah hath kept me alive, as He hath spoken, these forty and five years, since Jehovah spake this word unto Moses, when Israel went in the wilderness; and now, lo, I [am] to-day a son of five and eighty years;

11 yet [am] I to-day strong as in the day of Moses' sending me; as my power then, so [is] my power now, for battle, and to go out, and to come in.

12 `And now, give to me this hill-country, of which Jehovah spake in that day, for thou didst hear in that day, for Anakim [are] there, and cities, great, fenced; if so be Jehovah [is] with me, then I have dispossessed them, as Jehovah hath spoken.'

13 And Joshua blesseth him, and giveth Hebron to Caleb son of Jephunneh for an inheritance,

14 therefore hath Hebron been to Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenezzite for an inheritance unto this day, because that he was fully after Jehovah, God of Israel;

15 and the name of Hebron formerly [is] Kirjath-Arba (he [is] the great man among the Anakim); and the land hath rest from war.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Some things never change. Please see: http://www.thepropheticyears.com/commen ... Church.HTM

Yes--this link is an excellent example of pious fraud, i.e. Lying for the Lord. (I'm assuming you've actually read this, but I can't be certain because you never seem to have the slightest idea what the stuff you cut-and-paste really says.)

The Gospel message is offensive to those who are not brothers of...blah...blah...blah...

Does this mean you agree with me? Or is it a lame attempt to change the subject?

Joshua 14:1-15 The conquered lands of Canaan were...blah...blah...blah...

Nipper, here's something you might find interesting...

German Hercules: The Impact of Scatology on the Image of Martin Luther as a Man, 1483-1546 by Danielle Mead Skjelver (link)

It's an article on Martin Luther's obsession with toilet humor. Enjoy.

[_huckelberry]

The gospel can be an offense. That is not a good reason to call any old piece of offal the gospel.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

The gospel can be an offense. That is not a good reason to call any old piece of offal the gospel.

+1

[_Gunnar]

The gospel can be an offense. That is not a good reason to call any old piece of offal the gospel.

Agreed!