Bible verse by verse

[_LittleNipper]

Hmmm....so you agree with Hitler's view on homosexuals, right?

I wonder if LN realizes that the millions of German soldiers and policemen that were actually involved in the everyday indiscriminate killing of people during WW2, like the ones he lists above, and the genocide of 6 million or so Jews, were Christians? Or that the antisemitic culture that allowed the everyday Germans to casually slaughter all those people was created by centuries of Christian sponsored antisemitism?

When your convinced God is on your side you can justify anything, even the slaughter of innocent children.

I wonder if FS understands that millions of German soldiers and policemen that were actually involved in the everyday indiscriminate killing of people during WW2, like the ones he lists above, and the genocide of 6 million or so Jews were evolutionists? Or that a "modern" atheistic culture allowed the everyday Germans to casually slaughter all those people was created by evolutionary theory coupled with pagan ritualism? Of course all this was fostered by the greed of the Allied powers, who blamed everything on Germany ---- even the assassination of Grand Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassinat ... of_Austria

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I wonder if FS understands that millions of German soldiers and policemen that were actually involved in the everyday indiscriminate killing of people during WW2, like the ones he lists above, and the genocide of 6 million or so Jews were evolutionists?

Evolutionists??? Germany was and is a Christian society. The vast majority of German soldiers and policemen during WW2 were Christians of one sort or another.

Or that a "modern" atheistic culture allowed the everyday Germans to casually slaughter all those people was created by evolutionary theory coupled with pagan ritualism?

Evolutionary Pagan Ritualism??? The Holocaust had more to do with Christianity's long tradition of Antisemitism than with Evolutionary Pagan Nationalism...whatever the hell that is.

Of course all this was fostered by the greed of the Allied powers, who blamed everything on Germany ---- even the assassination of Grand Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.

FYI: Allies = WW2; the Triple Entente = WW1.

Most of what I know about WW1 comes from reading English-speaking historians like Max Hastings, John Keegan, and Robert Massie, none of whom blame Germany for the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. Not even Barbara Tuchman (who is often criticized for her anti-German bias) blames Germany for Franz Ferdinand's death. Where are you getting this from?

[Guest]

I wonder if FS understands that millions of German soldiers and policemen that were actually involved in the everyday indiscriminate killing of people during WW2, like the ones he lists above, and the genocide of 6 million or so Jews were evolutionists?

Evolutionists??? Germany was and is a Christian society. The vast majority of German soldiers and policemen during WW2 were Christians of one sort or another.

Or that a "modern" atheistic culture allowed the everyday Germans to casually slaughter all those people was created by evolutionary theory coupled with pagan ritualism?

Evolutionary Pagan Ritualism??? The Holocaust had more to do with Christianity's long tradition of Antisemitism than with Evolutionary Pagan Nationalism...whatever the hell that is.

Of course all this was fostered by the greed of the Allied powers, who blamed everything on Germany ---- even the assassination of Grand Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.

FYI: Allies = WW2; the Triple Entente = WW1.

Most of what I know about WW1 comes from reading English-speaking historians like Max Hastings, John Keegan, and Robert Massie, none of whom blame Germany for the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. Not even Barbara Tuchman (who is often criticized for her anti-German bias) blames Germany for Franz Ferdinand's death. Where are you getting this from?

You must be losing it. Franz Ferdinand was the Archduke of Austria (heir to the Austrian throne) who was killed by a Bosnian Anarchist. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia on July 28, 1914. The next day, Russia reacted, mobilizing its army. On July 31, 1914, the German Empire gave France an ultimatum: in the case of a war between Germany and Russia, France was to remain neutral. At the same time, Czar Nicholas II was requested – also per ultimatum – to halt the Russian mobilization. When this ultimatum was ignored and the Russian government did not recall its army, the German military issued a declaration of war against Russia. On August 1, 1914, Emperor William II signed the war declaration ---- marking the beginning of what the American historian George F. Kennan (1904 – 2005) described as the 20th century's "seminal catastrophe" – The Great War. As if gripped by madness, Europe's political leaders gave up the continent's relative wealth, stable political relations and cultural hegemony over large parts of the world in the summer of 1914 ---- a tangled web of European ingenuity.

The Nazis believed/promoted in a fictitious Aryan Race (hardly of Christian origin) , see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race You can blame "Christianity" all you want; however, the most Protestant Fundamentalist Christian Nation in the world (USA) was a vertable haven for Jews from Russia, Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc. compared to how they were respected everywhere else.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

You must be losing it. Franz Ferdinand was the Archduke of Austria.

Yes, Franz Ferdinand was Archduke of Austria. And your point is...?

[_The Erotic Apologist]

You must be losing it. Franz Ferdinand was the Archduke of Austria (heir to the Austrian throne) who was killed by a Bosnian Anarchist. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia on July 28, 1914. The next day, Russia reacted, mobilizing its army. On July 31, 1914, the German Empire gave France an ultimatum: in the case of a war between Germany and Russia, France was to remain neutral. At the same time, Czar Nicholas II was requested – also per ultimatum – to halt the Russian mobilization. When this ultimatum was ignored and the Russian government did not recall its army, the German military issued a declaration of war against Russia. On August 1, 1914, Emperor William II signed the war declaration ---- marking the beginning of what the American historian George F. Kennan (1904 – 2005) described as the 20th century's "seminal catastrophe" – The Great War. As if gripped by madness, Europe's political leaders gave up the continent's relative wealth, stable political relations and cultural hegemony over large parts of the world in the summer of 1914 ---- a tangled web of European ingenuity.

How does this support your bizarre-o claim that the "Allied powers" blamed Germany for the assassination of Franz Ferdinand? Do you even bother to read what these websites say before you cut-and-paste?

The Nazis believed/promoted in a fictitious Aryan Race (hardly of Christian origin) , see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race

Are you suggesting the vast majority of Germans who were responsible for the Holocaust weren't Christians of one sort or another?

You can blame "Christianity" all you want...

I'm not blaming anybody. I'm simply citing a well-established historical fact. You're taking this way too personally, Nipper.

"...however, the most Protestant Fundamentalist Christian Nation in the world..."

The United States is a lot of things, but it most certainly isn't a "Protestant Fundamentalist Christian Nation". The Bible Belt is not its own nation, no matter what you may think.

...was a vertable haven for Jews from Russia, Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc. compared to how they were respected everywhere else.

Why are you suddenly trying to change the subject? You're the one who brought up Nazi Germany, not me. You're also the one who made the bizarre claim that the Allies blamed Germany for Franz Ferdinand's assassination. Are you now trying to back away from that claim as well?

[_ludwigm]

You must be losing it.
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How does this back up your bizarre-o claim that the "Allied powers" blamed Germany for the assassination of Franz Ferdinand? Do you even bother to read what these websites say before you cut-and-paste?

He is in WOM mode (write-only-memory, see ROM...)
He didn't read any thing but the Bible. And only his pet version...

I don't write any more about WW I or WW II.
1. My family (especially my grandfather an my father) were innocent victims of that events. Both.
2. We (Hungarians) took part in that wars. As innocent as my ancestors. The politicians settled it, as usual. And we (not that politicians) got paid for them.
3. As this would be offtopic here --- and here is at least one diligent moderator who jumps on my every word can be called offtopic --- I don't like my comments moved.

[_Fence Sitter]

LN,

What kind of God allows Germans to slaughter 6 million of his chosen people? Were his chosen people occupying land God had given to the Germans?

[_ludwigm]

LN,

What kind of God allows Germans to slaughter 6 million of his chosen people? Were his chosen people occupying land God had given to the Germans?

Some of that Jews have sinned, then some more Jews should have been punished.

Did King David make a census? 70000 death by plague.
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god's way are not our way... am I understood?

[_The Erotic Apologist]

LN,

What kind of God allows Germans to slaughter 6 million of his chosen people? Were his chosen people occupying land God had given to the Germans?

I think they're only two possible answers:

1) The creature who Nipper calls "god" doesn't exist, or

2) The creature who Nipper calls "god" is a psychic parasite who lives off pain and suffering.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I don't write any more about WW I or WW II.
1. My family (especially my grandfather an my father) were innocent victims of that events. Both.
2. We (Hungarians) took part in that wars. As innocent as my ancestors. The politicians settled it, as usual. And we (not that politicians) got paid for them.

I think it's impossible for someone who's grown up in the US to understand the amount of suffering that was caused by WW2.