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ludwigm wrote:
LittleNipper wrote: Judas hung himself ----- nothing faithful in that. He never sought forgiveness. He did what he always did ---- took matters into his own hands. John 12:5-6 Judas said “Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” He said this, not because he cared anything concerning the poor, but because he was a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used to help himself to what was put into it.
Hey LittleNipper!

Is Judas a negative figure for You? He seems to be.

Then explain me us please, where were the salvation, without Judas' so called betrayal?

Would have Jesus walked into the office of Pilatus to report oneself, saying "crucify me, it is necessary for the whole humanity - even for that slit-eyeds living in an area unknown for me and you, and whose peculiar writing is so liked by LittleNipper!" ...


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Then Pilatus said to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man - he wants only to invent the christianity ...


Ask yourself, where is the need of salvation without Satan? Where is the need of the Flood without the violent people? Where is the need of the Exodus without Pharaoh? Where is the crucifixion without the Romans and Pilate? God certainly has a plan, however; that never excuses the evil people do simply because such is turned around by God for His glory. God used Judas unawares, by allowing Judas' greed and selfish blind ambition to follow its "natural" course. Now, I do believe that Jesus would have forgiven Judas, had he asked for it ---- as Peter asked for forgiveness for denying Jesus. But if Peter had killed himself, he would be in the same boat as Judas.
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LittleNipper wrote: nothing
ludwigm wrote:Hey LittleNipper!

Is Judas a negative figure for You? He seems to be.

Then explain me us please, where were the salvation, without Judas' so called betrayal?

Would have Jesus walked into the office of Pilatus to report oneself, saying "crucify me, it is necessary for the whole humanity - even for that slit-eyeds living in an area unknown for me and you, and whose peculiar writing is so liked by LittleNipper!" ...


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Then Pilatus said to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man - he wants only to invent the christianity ...
LittleNipper wrote:blabbering: Ask yourself, where is the need of salvation without Satan? Where is the need of the Flood without the violent people? Where is the need of the Exodus without Pharaoh? Where is the crucifixion without the Romans and Pilate? God certainly has a plan, however; that never excuses the evil people do simply because such is turned around by God for His glory. God used Judas unawares, by allowing Judas' greed and selfish blind ambition to follow its "natural" course. Now, I do believe that Jesus would have forgiven Judas, had he asked for it ---- as Peter asked for forgiveness for denying Jesus. But if Peter had killed himself, he would be in the same boat as Judas.
There is no satan, there were no flood, no exodus, no other uppercase words --- step over.

Any answer to my question?
"God certainly has a plan" ??? Has he? Does any god exist? Including your yhwh? If - and when - Jesus says do your duty then is Judas a traitor?

by the way "certainly"... Do You know something? Or do you parrot some other source?

"greed and selfish blind ambition" (your words...)
Were other apostles able to do the same assignment?

If I may ask again --- and I highlighted some words for better understanding...

Was Judas' deed necessary?
I wrote:Then explain me us please, where were the salvation, without Judas' so called betrayal?

Would have Jesus walked into the office of Pilatus to report oneself, saying "crucify me, it is necessary for the whole humanity - even for that slit-eyeds living in an area unknown for me and you, and whose peculiar writing is so liked by LittleNipper!" ...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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LittleNipper wrote:Ask yourself, where is the need of salvation without Satan?

This must be handle apart.

I've asked myself.
Here is my answer:
There is no satan.

From this point on, I don't care with salvation --- if such thing exists at all.

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Ask yourself, where is your satan beyond your fairy tales?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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ludwigm wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Ask yourself, where is the need of salvation without Satan?

This must be handle apart.

I've asked myself.
Here is my answer:
There is no satan.

From this point on, I don't care with salvation --- if such thing exists at all.

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Ask yourself, where is your satan beyond your fairy tales?

And the proof is that everything is perfect in this world. And no would does anything that harms anyone else. And, there are no canyons, fossils, or deserts... And the Hebrews never existed... Funny how little proof of anything there is of anything. And of course, it always goes over big with little sick kids when you inform them of that certainty :rolleyes:
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LittleNipper wrote:God used Judas unawares, by allowing Judas' greed and selfish blind ambition to follow its "natural" course.


Your God uses the natural character traits in people that He Himself put there, to manipulate said mortal into doing something bad just so that He, God, can make a point? Your God is a seriously messed up individual with no moral integrity whatsoever.
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Bazooka wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:God used Judas unawares, by allowing Judas' greed and selfish blind ambition to follow its "natural" course.


Your God uses the natural character traits in people that He Himself put there, to manipulate said mortal into doing something bad just so that He, God, can make a point? Your God is a seriously messed up individual with no moral integrity whatsoever.
When a person turns his life over to God --- God begins a lifetime work in applying and shaping character traits for the good. Things that people see as flaws, then become positive attributes. We have all the characters in the Bible demonstrating exactly how turning to God motivated such to goodness, and following one's own goals often leads to bad choices, evil behavior, selfish pride and arrogance. See Pharaoh, Ahab, and Hamon. Then see Joseph, David Ruth, Esther.
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LittleNipper wrote:When a person turns his life over to God --- God begins a lifetime work in applying and shaping character traits for the good. Things that people see as flaws, then become positive attributes. We have all the characters in the Bible demonstrating exactly how turning to God motivated such to goodness, and following one's own goals often leads to bad choices, evil behavior, selfish pride and arrogance. See Pharaoh, Ahab, and Hamon. Then see Joseph, David Ruth, Esther.

Would you call the willingness of certain Christians to engage in pious fraud a "positive attribute"?
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LittleNipper wrote:
ludwigm wrote:
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Ask yourself, where is your satan beyond your fairy tales?

And the proof is that everything is perfect in this world. And no would does anything that harms anyone else. And, there are no canyons, fossils, or deserts... And the Hebrews never existed... Funny how little proof of anything there is of anything. And of course, it always goes over big with little sick kids when you inform them of that certainty :rolleyes:


how in the world do canyons and fossils indicate Satan? God created the world with its canyons fossils and deserts.
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huckelberry wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:And the proof is that everything is perfect in this world. And no would does anything that harms anyone else. And, there are no canyons, fossils, or deserts... And the Hebrews never existed... Funny how little proof of anything there is of anything. And of course, it always goes over big with little sick kids when you inform them of that certainty :rolleyes:


How in the world do canyons and fossils indicate Satan? God created the world with its canyons, fossils, and deserts.
They are signatures of the Flood.
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ludwigm wrote:Ask yourself, where is your satan beyond your fairy tales?
LittleNipper wrote:And the proof is that everything is perfect in this world. And no would does anything that harms anyone else. And, there are no canyons, fossils, or deserts... And the Hebrews never existed... Funny how little proof of anything there is of anything. And of course, it always goes over big with little sick kids when you inform them of that certainty :rolleyes:
huckelberry wrote:how in the world do canyons and fossils indicate Satan? God created the world with its canyons fossils and deserts.

There is a Hungarian saying about a history teacher:
"I ask for Maria Theresa, he answers Joseph II."
I know I know... this doesn't make sense outside of Austro-Hungarian Empire...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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