UFOs

[_Tobin]

And here is a thought in return. I've seen one of these beings for myself by happenstance. It is you that is sadly mistaken about their existence.

OMG
No you didn't. You are mistaken. Being flat out mistaken.....It happens all the time but only a select few are so pathologically unable to question their own perceptions as to effectively render themselves mentally deficient.

Yes I did. Unfortunately for you, someone else was there and to this day also recalls seeing and experiencing a being. Your explanation about it being pathological doesn't hold up.

[_Tarski]

Yes I did. Unfortunately for you, someone else was there and to this day also recalls seeing and experiencing a being. Your explanation about it being pathological doesn't hold up.

LOL. Seriously? Are you 12 years old? Such claims by more than one person are a dime a dozen. That kind of group misperception is common as is the effect of mutual rehearsal and retelling on vivid memory. People have been repeatedly falsely imprisoned due to faulty supposed multiple eyewitness. Thousands have seen visions of Mother Mary at the same time and there are simultaneous witness accounts of everything from fairies and leprechauns to gods, angles, and half man half goat.
Aliens are just the modern version due to the current zeitgeist.

When it comes to the a priori highly improbably or weird, memory and eyewitness are very very poor reasons to believe. That goes especially for ones own memory and applies to groups for reasons that are becoming increasingly clear.

Example:
When one or more person claims to have seen a black swan, it is reasonable to accept it.
If a group of people claim to have seen Swami Bababai (or whoever) levitate 10 feet in the air, it is not reasonable to accept it, or even rely on ones own recollection of it without concrete evidence.

You are mostly likely a victim of mutually reinforced false memory.
You could also be the victim of a practical joke.
You may even be a liar or a just mere troll.

If I said that me and my friend saw a 30 foot tall man jogging in the hood, would you believe it?
Aliens are 100 times more implausible.

I have quite a few vivid memories of things that happened to me and my friends that now as an adult I realize could have never happened. Since I am educated about how the brain works and how group dynamics and how rehearsals and retellings (even subvocal) distort and rewrite memory, I am not trapped by such things.

You simply have not grown up in at least one important way.

Now as I said, the fact that there was supposedly another person isn't near enough but nevertheless I am willing to bet that said person cannot be produced or would not tell the story with the same conviction.
Care to name the other person? What's your excuse?

[_Tobin]

Yes I did. Unfortunately for you, someone else was there and to this day also recalls seeing and experiencing a being. Your explanation about it being pathological doesn't hold up.

LOL. Seriously? Are you 12 years old? Such claims by more than one person are a dime a dozen. That kind of group misperception is common as is the effect of mutual rehearsal and retelling on vivid memory. People have been repeatedly falsely imprisoned due to faulty supposed multiple eyewitness. Thousands have seen visions of Mother Mary at the same time and there are simultaneous witness accounts of everything from fairies and leprechauns to gods, angles, and half man half goat.
Aliens are just the modern version due to the current zeitgeist.

When it comes to the a priori highly improbably or weird, memory and eyewitness are very very poor reasons to believe. That goes especially for ones own memory and applies to groups for reasons that are becoming increasingly clear.

Example:
When one or more person claims to have seen a black swan, it is reasonable to accept it.
If a group of people claim to have seen Swami Bababai (or whoever) levitate 10 feet in the air, it is not reasonable to accept it, or even rely on ones own recollection of it without concrete evidence.

You are mostly likely a victim of mutually reinforced false memory.
You could also be the victim of a practical joke.
You may even be a liar or a just mere troll.

If I said that me and my friend saw a 30 foot tall man jogging in the hood, would you believe it?
Aliens are 100 times more implausible.

I have quite a few vivid memories of things that happened to me and my friends that now as an adult I realize could have never happened. Since I am educated about how the brain works and how group dynamics and how rehearsals and retellings (even subvocal) distort and rewrite memory, I am not trapped by such things.

You simply have not grown up in at least one important way.

Now as I said, the fact that there was supposedly another person isn't near enough but nevertheless I am willing to bet that said person cannot be produced or would not tell the story with the same conviction.
Care to name the other person? What's your excuse?

Maybe I wasn't making myself clear. What happened was MY experience. I don't need your belief nor desire it. However, I know what happened as does the person I was with. It is enough evidence for me to know with some conviction that you are simply wrong. You are welcome to disagree. But your disagreement and you being wrong are still the facts of the situation.

[_grindael]

Maybe I wasn't making myself clear. What happened was MY experience. I don't need your belief nor desire it. However, I know what happened as does the person I was with. It is enough evidence for me to know with some conviction that you are simply wrong. You are welcome to disagree. But your disagreement and you being wrong are still the facts of the situation.