Regrets over resigning?

[_Jersey Girl]

[Guest]

If you wish to ignore me Jesse, that is perfectly fine. After all, I really don't think you have anything substantial to say. I think where you cross the line is when you encourage others to ignore me. That smacks of pettiness and seems like you are trying to take revenge for the many times I've made you look like a fool.

You know what? Let me know when someone tells you to burn in hell and calls you evil scum of the earth, then we'll talk.

Otherwise suck it up buttercup.

p.s. I had to take you off ignore to read the above post in it's original form.

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iol0B-clFFM - I was 23 then, when there was a Build Me Up Buttercup ...



Plus some off music...
Another from then:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuBREMXxts -

And one more:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww -

[_Tobin]

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Something wrong with your reading skills too?

[_I have a question]

And Tobin successfully derails yet another thread....

[_Jersey Girl]

And Tobin successfully derails yet another thread....

Perhaps not.

Personally, and not being LDS myself, part of me thinks the resignations and the new policies that eliminate gay parents and their children, are ultimately a positive thing. They will spare folks the misery that I've seen so many ex-Mo's report on all these years after basically life long membership in the church.

I think a period of grieving would be normal to this experience.

[_Kishkumen]

It isn't a crappy argument. In your response before this one, you claimed there was no justification in scripture for waiting. Yet obviously Jesus did. So I'd submit that the idea that one must be baptized at 8 years old is nonsense. And isn't it also LDS 101 that the top LDS leaders are prophets, seers, and revelators? If they are what they claim, it seems like they are in a better position to decide what is revealed policy and what isn't. Maybe they felt this is what God wanted them to do. That is all the justification they need under LDS 101.

It is a crappy argument. LDS 101: modern revelation trumps the Bible. Prophets, seers, and revelators, as I showed earlier in this thread, can't reset doctrine through policy. Doctrine comes through scripture, declarations, and proclamations. They messed this one up. You can argue this all day long, but you are simply wrong, Tobin. You don't understand the finer point of Mormonism very well.

The LDS Church pretends to be God's one and only true church. Its leaders pretend they are doing what God wants them to on a constant basis. I think it should be obvious to anyone that they can do whatever the hell they want and say God put them up to it.

Sure, they can say that, and I can say they are wrong. Hot damn, I love the Internet.

As I've pointed out repeatedly, the LDS Church is not a gay-friendly organization and there is a certain logic from their point-of-view in this policy.

Bad logic. It is deplorable enough that they treat gay people so poorly. Now they take it out on innocent kids. That's where they screwed up.

[_Tobin]

It is a crappy argument. LDS 101: modern revelation trumps the Bible. Prophets, seers, and revelators, as I showed earlier in this thread, can't reset doctrine through policy. Doctrine comes through scripture, declarations, and proclamations. They messed this one up. You can argue this all day long, but you are simply wrong, Tobin. You don't understand the finer point of Mormonism very well.

So in essence, your argument is that you are right and the LDS leaders are wrong. I think LDS leaders would view that as apostasy since they are supposedly God's chosen prophets.

As you know Kishkumen, I really don't have much sympathy for LDS leaders. Since the LDS Church is a man-made organization and always has been, I'm not really surprised to find them instituting the policy they did. The reason I can't agree with you about this being the start of the Great Apostasy is because I don't believe the LDS Church had a lock on the truth in the first place (or was ever God's one and only true church). As Shades and I have pointed out, if you and others wish to quit a man-made organization, that is fine. However, it is silly to pretend they are in apostasy since that would mean they were something they never were.

[_Gunnar]

As you know Kishkumen, I really don't have much sympathy for LDS leaders. Since the LDS Church is a man-made organization and always has been, I'm not really surprised to find them instituting the policy they did. The reason I can't agree with you about this being the start of the Great Apostasy is because I don't believe the LDS Church had a lock on the truth in the first place (or was ever God's one and only true church). As Shades and I have pointed out, if you and others wish to quit a man-made organization, that is fine.

So why are you continuing to make a fool of yourself by arguing the point? Isn't this exactly what a troll does?

[_Tobin]

So why are you continuing to make a fool of yourself by arguing the point? Isn't this exactly what a troll does?

I'm not the one claiming the LDS Church is in apostasy because of this policy announcement. It would help immensely if you tried to follow the conversation.

[_consiglieri]

I have offered my judgment that a line was crossed in the institution of this new policy, and that line, for me, was the blatant contradiction of the clear teachings of Christ.

I agree a clear and obvious line has been crossed with the new policy.

As I put it to my home teacher the other day, up to this point, I was willing to hold open the possibility that the top 15 might be prophets if at some time they should choose to attempt to exercise the prophetic gift, and if God sustained them in doing so.

Up to this point, the jury has been out on this issue as far as I am concerned.

But with the new policy, the top 15 have proven beyond question that they are not prophets, seers and revelators.

It is a very clear and obvious line.