Assualt weapons

[_Quasimodo]

The USSR was winning quite well until the US started to smuggle in weaponry to take out their heavy weaponry.

"Charlie Wilson's War" was a great movie.

[_The CCC]

Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

[_RockSlider]

Yes. Gun laws mostly will make a difference. No one thinks they will stop all disasters. They do have a real reduction in harm in a society. I will add again this is not an argument for total ban on guns.

Mak is calling for one! And he is correct in that it is the only thing that could really affect the numbers significantly.

[_maklelan]

I do believe that Mak is correct that only a total ban of all guns/ammo at high levels could/would produce the desired results of removing guns from the hands of all citizens, thus dropping the margin of gun related deaths to near zero.

Not what I said at all.

As I believe he has also referred to, the problem expands past US territories and and even Federal Control.

I assume Mak is too young to remember much about the whole "New World Order" movement years back. Headed by non-other than the Father of the Internet (hehe).

Earth in the Balance

funny, 1 penny is today's worth.

He is also too young to likely remember the era/likes of ETB's
An Enemy hath done this

i.e. United Nations (one world control) is/was the enemy.

There are many things where humans threaten our own existence on this planet. Several of them highlighted in Gore's book. With terrifying, to me, proposed solutions.

As educated people like Mak know much better than I the long heated history of even State's rights verses Federal rights. Let-a-lone US Federal rights in International Rights.

People .... when I say .... don't give up freedoms for a false sense of security, it actually has very little to do with guns, US mass shootings etc. It has to deal with an ever widening circle of safety ... city, to state, to fed, to the world. Ever time we relinquish ANY freedom/right, leaving the power/choices in the hands of a higher, more central authority, we lose ground.

So when Mak suggests that I have no morals

Nowhere said any such thing.

to suggest that a legacy of individual Freedoms passed on to my posterity is far more important to the big picture than giving up my proxy dicks, he seems to have no understanding of people giving up their own lives to protect the very concept of Freedom.

Right now you're arguing that other innocent people should be giving up their lives for your very naïve concept of freedom.

I assume Mak would be an ardent supporter of Gore's proposed solutions to not just this gun issue, but several others.

Hey, it's only 0.1 cents Mak ... check it out, you will love this book.

This is a silly red herring.

[_maklelan]

Mak is calling for one!

I'm doing no such thing whatsoever, and I explicitly pointed that out. Smarter gun control does not require a universal ban. Assault weapons need to be banned, yes, but not all guns. Pay better attention, please.

And he is correct in that it is the only thing that could really affect the numbers significantly.

No, actually I repeatedly and explicitly pointed out that significant impact can be made without a ban on all firearms. Why are you so flagrantly misrepresenting me?

[_AZCaesar]

SEE http://gizmodo.com/5927379/the-secret-o ... e-anything

I should have said legally. I suppose on the black market, you could buy anything and have it shipped anywhere you like.

[_RockSlider]

No, actually I repeatedly and explicitly pointed out that significant impact can be made without a ban on all firearms. Why are you so flagrantly misrepresenting me?

Well I sure did not intend to misrepresent you. I seem to have misunderstood you're following response from up thread??

But you wouldn't have much access to those, either.

Please clear up my misunderstanding of that response.

This brings us full circle to the guns I own, have pictured and explained a bit about their killing potential in home land, mass shooting contexts. So Mak, since you did not mean you would ban me from all of my guns ... here is the list. Which ones do I get to keep?

Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use my shotgun?
Would you take away my freedom/right to protect my family in my home with said shotgun?
Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use my ruger 10-22?
Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use my M1A?
Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use my 300 win mag?
Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use mini-14?
We already know you would take away my freedom/right to own/use my ar15.

[_Themis]

Yes. Gun laws mostly will make a difference. No one thinks they will stop all disasters. They do have a real reduction in harm in a society. I will add again this is not an argument for total ban on guns.

Mak is calling for one! And he is correct in that it is the only thing that could really affect the numbers significantly.

As we can see you have completely misunderstood what Mak is saying. Perhaps you should take more time to understand first. Complete bans are not needed to have a significant reduction in harm as can be seen just looking at what other countries have done. One of the best ways to reduce harm without even banning any guns currently not banned would be a licensing system.

[_maklelan]

Please clear up my misunderstanding of that response.

Certainly. A person bent on mass killing is not going to be very successful trying to access guns in a country that has effective gun control in place. This does not mean bans, it means effective gun control.

This brings us full circle to the guns I own, have pictured and explained a bit about their killing potential in home land, mass shooting contexts. So Mak, since you did not mean you would ban me from all of my guns ... here is the list. Which ones do I get to keep?

Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use my shotgun?
Would you take away my freedom/right to protect my family in my home with said shotgun?
Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use my ruger 10-22?
Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use my M1A?
Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use my 300 win mag?
Would you take away my freedom/right to own/use mini-14?
We already know you would take away my freedom/right to own/use my ar15.

I'm not interested in meaningless red herrings, but I also nowhere said guns should be confiscated.

[_RockSlider]

Right now you're arguing that other innocent people should be giving up their lives for your very naïve concept of freedom.

No Mak, I'm saying my grandfathers generation (WWI/II), my fathers generation (Korean), my generation (Vietnam) voluntarily (or were forced by our Government) to give up their lives, supposedly for my very naïve concept of freedom.

wow ...