Assualt weapons

[_Gadianton]

Nobody is suggesting anything even approximating that.

I agree, but let me remind you of this:

You can point out that it can be illegal all day long, but people are still buying guns by the thousands online.

To get rid of the guns in America will require feet on the ground, not just rules. Legislation works great in Europe, but the difference is America has this sprawling, complex machine that's out of control. You've got to first stop the machine and disassemble it.

but we'll get there, and we'll be better for it.

You might get there, and you might be better for it. I'm just not as sold as you are that it's the case. I'm more like, 47% convinced.

So the left should capitulate to the right because otherwise the right is just going to get more irrational?

hmmm. did I say that? I'm just pointing out the problem is a deeper one than copying what Sweden has done.

So where can I read your reprimand of the gun nuts who call the left idiots and morons?

You can read my recent exchanges with ldsfaqs on this board, generally speaking. I will read your NYT article.

[_Jersey Girl]

To get rid of the guns in America will require feet on the ground, not just rules. Legislation works great in Europe, but the difference is America has this sprawling, complex machine that's out of control. You've got to first stop the machine and disassemble it.

God, yes.

And thank you.

[_maklelan]

Good heavens did you read your own link?

Yes, I did read it.

"For at least the past decade, the F.B.I. regarded a mass shooting as a single attack in which four or more victims were killed. (In 2013, a mandate from President Obama for further study of the problem lowered that threshold to three victims killed.) When we began compiling our database in 2012, we used that criteria of four or more killed in public attacks, but excluded mass murders that stemmed from robbery, gang violence or domestic abuse in private homes. Our goal with this relatively narrow set of parameters was to better understand the seemingly indiscriminate attacks that have increased in recent years, whether in movie theaters, elementary schools or office parks."

Please explain to me what would reasonably distinguish any of my given list of guns in this thread from being a weapon of chose to a mass shooter (given Obama's definition of mass) from simply a hunting rifle?

Did you read the link? I don't like the narrower parameters. Categorization as an assault rifle is a pretty reasonable distinction, it would seem to me.

[_Ceeboo]

Jersey Girl, I'm pretty sure you understood what I was saying. You're not an idiot.

Kevin, this was surely a typo, yes?
You just posted that someone was not an idiot.

You're turning into the liberal equivalent of ldsfaqs.

Please explain how in the world anyone, let alone I, have been the Liberal equivalent of faqs?

You do read what what write all over this board - don't you?

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Gadianton]

For indoors, close quarters mass shootings of say 20 people caught in the building ... nope, these people are hunted out, shot at close range one or two at at time, with Gramps 12 gauge duck gun being the weapon of choice.

True. It doesn't seem that shotguns are a weapon of choice, however. Would they make a good substitute weapon? Restricted to the discussion of "mass shootings" where some guy goes postal, there is a significant downside to a 12 gauge: the recoil. a small a caliber pistol or an assault rifle is great for folks who come unhinged and aren't experienced gun users. It takes a real man to shoot grandpa's 12 gauge, even with a recoil pad.

[_maklelan]

It takes a real man to shoot grandpa's 12 gauge, even with a recoil pad.

Linking guns with manliness, huh? Imagine that.

[_Lemmie]

Sexism? Not a word of what I've said has anything whatsoever to do with sexism.

mak, seriously, you made at least 3 sexist statements today, in this thread alone.

1st, in response to Jersey Girl:

Play with a proxy dick? Tell that to the US military. Tell that to the cops. Tell that to security guards.

Yeah, I know plenty of each, and I promise you they love to think of their guns as reifications of their manliness and aggression. Those are jobs where guns are (usually) required, so that's quite a different story from private ownership.

Yes, mak promises us that female cops, military, and security guards think of their guns as 'reifications of their manliness'.

2nd and 3rd examples of sexism, again in response to Jersey Girl:

Additionally, you might not have noticed that there are women on this forum who own guns, know how to shoot and are hobbyists who hold the same or similar level of interest as rockslider as a hobbyist.

And they wouldn't be doing that if men hadn't constructed and nurtured our gun culture, which is absolutely about masculinity.

Yes, mak, women would not have guns as a hobby, know how to shoot, or own a gun if men
hadn't constructed the culture for them.

The two-fer here is that mak says if a women's hobby is about guns, then she is in a culture that is 'absolutely about masculinity'.

And finally Jersey Girl's request which triggered mak's response:

Get the rabid and juvenile sexism out of your posts.

Sexism? Not a word of what I've said has anything whatsoever to do with sexism.

That is a stunning level of lack of self-awareness, mak, if you truly thought not a word you said today had anything to do with sexism.

Edited to add: Just saw your last post.

Linking guns with manliness, huh? Imagine that.

Your lack of self-awareness about your own sexism just went from stunning to ridiculous.

[_Jersey Girl]

Thanks for that summary, Lemmie. I didn't want to spend time tackling that little mountain of quotes.

[Guest]

mak, seriously, you made at least 3 sexist statements today, in this thread alone.

I have you on ignore, but I thought I'd see if you had something constructive to add to a completely different context and discussion.

Play with a proxy dick? Tell that to the US military. Tell that to the cops. Tell that to security guards.

Yes, mak promises us that female cops, military, and security guards think of their guns as 'reifications of their manliness'.

[/quote]

I was referencing men in those positions. I thought that would have been clear, since women who own guns had been addressed separately. Given your attitude the last time you tried to demonize me on feminism and sexism, I'm not going to waste any of my time trying to reason with you. I'll just leave you on ignore.

[_Lemmie]

I was referencing men in those positions. I thought that would have been clear, since women who own guns had been addressed separately.

Just digging yourself deeper and deeper, mak, deeper and deeper.

No, it's not clear that after discussing women who own guns, any discussion of police, military, and security guards is a reference to only men in those positions. It is sexist, however.

By all means, keep me on ignore, if you hadn't read my post, maybe you wouldn't have posted that little piece of sexist crap above.