LDS: Caffeine is bad in coffee, other caffeine drink is OK

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Water dignity Dawg retrieved [your=http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=948978#p948978l]this gem[/url] in my thread discussing MG announcement that he drinks caffeine laden iced tea:



According to this official letter from the Lords Annointed®, Sanka, a decaf coffee is OK.

This letter clearly identifies the ingredient that is deemed bad in coffee, caffeine.

However, someone at LDS INC PR did not do their homework before releasing this clarification in 2012 concerning caffeinated drinks like Coke® and Pepsi®

Finally, another small correction: Despite what was reported, the Church revelation spelling out health practices (Doctrine and Covenants 89) does not mention the use of caffeine. The Church’s health guidelines prohibit alcoholic drinks, smoking or chewing of tobacco, and “hot drinks” — taught by Church leaders to refer specifically to tea and coffee. *

In 1970, decaf coffee was OK.

Today, caffeine is ok.

Continuing revelation!

Earrings and now caffeine! Isn't it MAHHHvelous?

[_sock puppet]

The only ingredient in regular coffee missing from Sanka is caffeine. I.e., as PP points out, caffeine is the 'harmful habit-forming drug', or regular coffee does not have any harmful habit-forming drug--and its prohibition would be arbitrary and capricious.

So TBMs, which is it? Is your Mormon God arbitrary and capricious? or is your church being disingenuous in 2012 claiming caffeine is not the culprit ingredient?

[_ldsfaqs]

The Word of Wisdom is simply Coffee and Tea..... Period, end of story.

Anything else is according to our own judgment.
Caffeine has been traditionally avoided by the Church (such as at church activities for which the church pays for) so as to avoid the appearence of evil since it does have a potential addictive nature.
But, it's not "banned", and it's not what the Word of Wisdom is directly condeming.

All that has been banned is Coffee and Tea.... Period.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

The Word of Wisdom is simply Coffee and Tea..... Period, end of story.

Anything else is according to our own judgment.
Caffeine has been traditionally avoided by the Church (such as at church activities for which the church pays for) so as to avoid the appearence of evil since it does have a potential addictive nature.
But, it's not "banned", and it's not what the Word of Wisdom is directly condeming.

All that has been banned is Coffee and Tea.... Period.

So the official letter from LDS HQ is not valid??

If a member shows up to an event drinking decaf Sanka is he/she violating the WOW or not??

[_Polygamy-Porter]

The caffeine part of the letter, and the context which resulted in this letter, is of course interesting. The most relevant part however, for me at least, is where FP states that D&C 89 remains the authority on the WOW and that never since Joseph has there been any revelation received to overrule it in any way. That being the case, just like how the Supreme Court must go back to the framers to consider original intent for the Constitution, the proper way to interpret the WOW is to go back to how Joseph himself and the other members in that era and see how they treated it. Up until prohibition era the church owned and operated breweries. That's how they treated it.

So, hot chocolate and soup?

Dear LORD!! What if you accidental catch some hot water in your mouth while showering???

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

The caffeine part of the letter, and the context which resulted in this letter, is of course interesting. The most relevant part however, for me at least, is where FP states that D&C 89 remains the authority on the WOW and that never since Joseph has there been any revelation received to overrule it in any way. That being the case, just like how the Supreme Court must go back to the framers to consider original intent for the Constitution, the proper way to interpret the WOW is to go back to how Joseph himself and the other members in that era and see how they treated it. Up until prohibition era the church owned and operated breweries. That's how they treated it.

So, is that letter considered "continuing revelation"? If not, then we can just ignore it, no?

by the way, didn't they send a mixed message since Coke contains caffeine and Sanka does not? But coffee contains caffeine, no?

I don't know. Is it the combination of caffeine and a hot drink? But then you have hot chocolate. crap. This doesn't clarify anything.

- Doc

[_Lemmie]

The Word of Wisdom is simply Coffee and Tea..... Period, end of story.

Anything else is according to our own judgment.
Caffeine has been traditionally avoided by the Church (such as at church activities for which the church pays for) so as to avoid the appearence of evil since it does have a potential addictive nature.
But, it's not "banned", and it's not what the Word of Wisdom is directly condeming.

All that has been banned is Coffee and Tea.... Period.

Please document your source on that. (Note: the 'simple Google search' you have mentioned previously is not a source. )

[Guest]

Science has shown, unequivocally, that moderate consumption of coffee is associated with increased lifespan*.

In fact, consumption of coffee is now officially recognized, by the U.S. Government, to be of significant health benefit in the latest USDA report on recommended dietary guidelines as set forth in the Scientific Report of the 2015 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee.

In regard to food safety, updated and previously unexamined areas of food safety were studied.

Currently, strong evidence shows that consumption of coffee within the moderate range (3 to 5 cups per day or up to 400 mg/d caffeine) is not associated with increased long-term health risks among healthy individuals. In fact, consistent evidence indicates that coffee consumption is associated with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease in adults.

Moreover, moderate evidence shows a protective association between caffeine intake and risk of Parkinson’s disease. Therefore, moderate coffee consumption can be incorporated into a healthy dietary pattern, along with other healthful behaviors. [underline mine]

Far from being a dangerous habit forming drug, as the Mormon prophets have warned, caffeine in coffee turns out to be a natural product that can be of significant health benefit.

Nineteenth Century Mormon doctrine and prophetic nonsense fails miserably, yet again, when coming face to face to 21st Century science and reason.
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*http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2012/9/protective-effects-of-coffee/page-03

[_Lemmie]

So, hot chocolate and soup?

Dear LORD!! What if you accidental catch some hot water in your mouth while showering???

I can laugh at jokes like anybody, but what, sincerely, is the point of asshat comments like this? Do you want to actually discuss the subject or turn this place into a damned late night comedy show? It just gets really juvenile comment after comment.

Oh come on, we're talking about an incredibly vague rule from an imaginary supernatural being, that is semi-non-enforced by obfuscating church leaders who have had caffeine-laced soda dispensers in their COB forever. What's not juvenile about ANY of that??!!?

[_sock puppet]

Science has shown, unequivocally, that moderate consumption of coffee is associated with increased lifespan.

In fact, consumption of coffee is now officially recognized, by the U.S. Government, to be of significant health benefit in the latest USDA report on recommended dietary guidelines as set forth in the Scientific Report of the 2015 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee.

In regard to food safety, updated and previously unexamined areas of food safety were studied.

Currently, strong evidence shows that consumption of coffee within the moderate range (3 to 5 cups per day or up to 400 mg/d caffeine) is not associated with increased long-term health risks among healthy individuals. In fact, consistent evidence indicates that coffee consumption is associated with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease in adults.

Moreover, moderate evidence shows a protective association between caffeine intake and risk of Parkinson’s disease. Therefore, moderate coffee consumption can be incorporated into a healthy dietary pattern, along with other healthful behaviors. [underline mine]

Far from being a dangerous habit forming drug, as the Mormon prophets have warned, caffeine in coffee turns out to be a natural product that can be of significant health benefit.

Nineteenth Century Mormon doctrine and prophetic nonsense fails miserably, yet again, when coming face to face to 21st Century science and reason.

In which arms of flesh are you going to rely? Scientists who question and challenge each other, and refine their conclusions? Or the FP/12 who claim to be speaking for the Infallible?