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You can enter the Kingdom of God right now.

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John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


We don't need to wait; we can understand and know Christ and the Father NOW. We are already in the kingdom of God. By understanding Christ and who the Father is, we will also recognize that we are eternal....THAT is what it means for Christ to give us eternal life. It is the understanding of who we are and that we ARE eternal....and as eternal beings, we also have eternal life. It isn't something we achieve AFTER we leave mortality.

All you have to do is give up what the world has taught you about the Kingdom of God....give up everything religion ever taught. That is the only way you are going to be able to believe what Christ taught. Little children are already a part of the kingdom of heaven:

Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.


Why? Because they are unspotted by the world. When they are first born, they haven't been taught anything that the mortal world wants to teach them. Every new experience is perceived according to unhampered, preconceived notions. Thus, they can use their own 100% unspotted free will to interpret their experiences. By the time they are around eight years old, the world has spotted them to the extent that they are no longer able to experience the mortal world without now applying the world's dictates about what and how they should act and react to their experiences; they have even been taught what to believe. They can no longer believe what they used to believe about new experiences they had as infants. Once they have been taught to believe in what the world believes, they will continue to seek after what the mortal world teaches them; and they will perceive their new experiences according to what they have been taught by others. They look to sources outside of themselves to interpret mortal experiences, rather than being able to experience them according to their own self. They can no longer experience new things and act or react to them according to their own unspotted free will. They relinquish their unspotted free will in order to experience life according to what other's have taught them....their free will is now hampered; it is spotted.

Religion is one of the biggest thieves of unspotted free will. Religion robs children of the ability to choose to believe in their own experiences without outside influence. Religion teaches fear and guilt in powers that can control their destiny...especially their destiny after physical death. As such, religion has the power to control the minds of all who are taught to believe in it. Religion, in particular, turns everything upside down in this mortal world, compared to how things really are outside of mortality:
Isaiah 29: 16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?


James speaks of keeping ourselves unspotted from the world; even as he addresses "pure religion":

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Here is the regular KJV:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Joseph clarifies it here:
JST Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, Lo, there! For, behold, the kingdom of God has already come unto you.


If you choose to continue to believe in the Christ who is taught by Christianity, you simply will not be able to know Christ and the Father. Your belief in what the world has taught you about Christ will prevent you from seeing and hearing; because you prefer to see and hear through the religious beliefs you have been taught. Little children aren't hampered by what the world has taught them; but those who cling to religion have their minds controlled by what religion teaches. If you want to be able to understand and know Christ, and the Father, you have to give up what the world has taught; and merely believe what Christ taught! It can be very frightening because religion teaches you to fear God; even though the Lord spoke through Isaiah telling us that fear of God is taught by the precepts of men....sigh... You may say that you believe in Christ; but if your beliefs are still centered around fear, then you don't know Christ...and as such, you cannot know the Father. You may say that because you believe in Christ, you no longer fear God....but if you are not willing to believe something which religion does NOT teach, then guess what? You still fear God...by virtue of being afraid to believe anything outside of what religion has taught you.

You can enter the kingdom of God right now if you would be willing to give up what the world has taught about Christ and the kingdom of God. Just BELIEVE what Christ taught. He isn't going to make you believe either way; but He HAS provided the way for you to be able to enter the kingdom of God right now. You can know right now who Christ really is, and who the Father is; you can immediately recognize that you have eternal life (and no one has the ability to take eternal life away from you; we are already eternal).
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The thing that stops us from having heaven here is ourselves. All we have to do is follow the top two commandments. Love God with every fiber of our being. Since we are made in God's image we are to love ourselves. The second commandment is to treat our neighbor as we would like to be treated. We don't like being told what to do so don't tell your neighbor what to do.

The message from Christ is so simple. But our ego and earthly desires push us so we ignore His simple message. Cast off the bonds of this earth. Break those chains. Some are tied by religion, others politics, some are devoted to man's knowledge.

You want Jesus in your life then turn this place into heaven. If we do then Christ will come before His appointed time.
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jo1952 wrote: you can immediately recognize that you have eternal life (and no one has the ability to take eternal life away from you; we are already eternal).


If that's the case, how is it that chemicals can turn my consciousness completely off when I am put under with anesthesia for an operation? No dream state, no passage of time, no consciousness at all.

I fall unconscious and immediately re-awake. In fact I asked when I was going to go under and the reply was the operation was over.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:
jo1952 wrote: you can immediately recognize that you have eternal life (and no one has the ability to take eternal life away from you; we are already eternal).


If that's the case, how is it that chemicals can turn my consciousness completely off when I am put under with anesthesia for an operation? No dream state, no passage of time, no consciousness at all.

I fall unconscious and immediately re-awake. In fact I asked when I was going to go under and the reply was the operation was over.


Chemistry can't change the Real Truth. It may have a temporary influence on the physical brain. While under anethesia, we are still alive; but we have no idea what is happening. The veil acts somewhat the same; we can't remember what was going on before we entered mortality...and we can't remember what is still going on outside of mortality. Mortality is the third estate of existence; but we are still existing in the second and the first estates---all at the same time.

What Christ offers is the ability for us to believe in the Real Truth. If we believe Him, we can know Him and the Father; it will free us from what religion has taught us. We will realize that we are already in the "Kingdom of God" (because there is no such thing as the conclusions religion has come up with). In other words, we can find out who He really is, and who we really are; He gave us major hints! Religion draws us away from the ability to find out who we are and what is really going on. If we choose to believe what religion tells us, we aren't going to be able to believe what Christ was teaching us.

Religious terms...."kingdom of God", "God", "Satan", "Heaven", "Hell", "Sin", "Resurrection", "priesthood", etc... These are beliefs man came up with from inside of their own vain imaginations. They didn't want to take responsibility for their own actions. But religion is bogus....it is *b..s*. All of the things we do because of religion....they have nothing to do with what is really going on. We give those ideas the power to control our minds; so we aren't able to see the world in any other way. To protect free will, True Messengers, who come because religion has gained so much control over our free will (the type we had when we first entered mortality as little children), give their messages to the religious. Their messages give us the opportunity to find out what is really going on...but only IF we choose to believe them. It is all left up to us to choose what we want to believe.

There is no "right" or "wrong" thing to believe. However, if we choose to believe what the world teaches us, we aren't going to be able to believe what Christ and other True Messengers have been trying to tell us. If we choose to believe in religion, then everything these messengers tell us will be seen through the precept of religion. Thus, the religious are the blind and the deaf; though they believe that they are the ones who can see and hear. They aren't able to believe Christ because their religious beliefs teach them it is blasphemy to believe anything outside of what their religion teaches. For instance, OMG if we were to believe that we are the Sons of God!! The Jews wanted to kill Christ because He tried to tell them who He was; according to their beliefs what He taught was blasphemy. Christianity also believes that it is blasphemy to believe what Christ taught. They choose to believe in the mythical religion which was built upon Christ's teachings. They especially don't believe Christ when He taught that His work was finished...this BEFORE Gethsemane and the cross. Thus, they believe in a magical Christ who saves them from sin---even though sin, itself, is also a religious belief. They believe that His work was finished on the cross; and that His death magically washes away sin. In reality, it was His teachings which have the ability to wash our "sins" away; because "sin" is only a religious belief. If we believe Him, then we no longer believe in "sin"....etc....

It doesn't make any difference what we believe...other than there is the unavoidable consequence that our belief systems cause us to not treat each other nicely. What DOES matter is how we treat each other. When we look back at what our third estate self has done to others...that is where we will be sorrowful. We are all alike unto "God"; we are all equal. Just because our circumstances are different from each other here in mortality, gives us no excuse to treat each other as though some are better than others. That is only a condition of mortality; it is not how things are in the second and first estates.

There is nothing magical or mystical going on. As eternal beings we already know everything there is to know. What is going on is an extremely advanced technology we identify as mortality. Our own mortality-"learned" technology hasn't even begun to scratch the surface of what "all intelligence" technology has the ability to do. "The glory of God is intelligence." Take that out of religious terms, and "see" and "hear"!!!
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Where are you getting all this gnosticized religion you are preaching?

I do find it ironic that you say that it is not religious teachings which matter but that we treat each other well. That might be a point worth something but then you proceed saying other peoples religious teachings are bad while yours are not.
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huckelberry wrote:jo1952
Where are you getting all this gnosticized religion you are preaching?

I do find it ironic that you say that it is not religious teachings which matter but that we treat each other well. That might be a point worth something but then you proceed saying other peoples religious teachings are bad while yours are not.


I may be able to help out with this question. It really boils down to a thought experiment about eternal creatures. Can one enter eternity? No, you are either in eternity or not. Can an eternal creature be made mortal? No, an eternal being is eternal.

Now just would an eternal being be like? For one thing they would know everything there is to know. They will have experienced everything there is to experience. They would know the cause and effect of all deterministic events in the physical world. Now are we eternal beings? Yes we are. At the moment we are in a body of mortal flesh which can die. But our soul or spirit returns to our higher self once the mortal body dies. Here is a hint of this from Jesus in the scriptures.

Joh_17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh_17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

So all flesh has been given to Jesus for a reason. And what is that reason? So Jesus can give us a message. Then Jesus defines eternal life, it is the knowledge of who the Father is. So how can a message give eternal life? It can't. But a message may inform a mortal body that they are actually eternal already. Jesus is giving us information about the other side of the veil.

Now it may not ring true to you. But ask yourself why do you not believe the words of Christ? He tells us how to read the scriptures. He tells us how to obtain all truth. It is within all of us. If you search outside of yourself or listen to another you will never know truth. You may have faith in what others say. But you will not KNOW truth.

Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

This is how one knows truth. It comes from within. Truth does not come from the world. All religions are of the world. Jesus said to search within.

Now the real shocker is that Jesus told us who the Father is. If we just listen to what He said. He said that we can not serve two masters. Jesus says He served the Father by doing His will. Yet Jesus is the servant of man. He washed the feet of the apostles and told them to do likewise. So how can Jesus serve two masters? He can't. All of us collectively on the other side of the veil in our eternal state is known as "The Father".

Now once we know who we are then we are eternal beings. Not because a change has taken place but information was given to us.

Of course the thought experiment led to an understanding of the scriptures in a certain light. This knowledge throws out religion.

The normal reaction is to throw away what I have written. That is fine. It does not change a thing. Free will is supreme and the choice is yours. You can live a mortal life fearing death.

Joh_5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh_8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

These make perfect sense when you realize that this mortal body is not who we really are.

Ignore Jesus and be bound to the world. Follow the teachings of Christ and the world rejects you.

Joh_15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

This is but a start. Once here then all of the scriptures are sorted out, truth, myth, law, etc.
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Franktalk, You have laid out a sketch of your religious dogmatics. Very little of your religious system is correct to my light. I do think it is excellent to listen to Jesus. I think I do that very thing. I would not wish to interfere with you doing the same.

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I do agree that the only eternal that matters is the eternal now.
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huckelberry wrote:Franktalk, You have laid out a sketch of your religious dogmatics. Very little of your religious system is correct to my light. I do think it is excellent to listen to Jesus. I think I do that very thing. I would not wish to interfere with you doing the same.

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adding,
I do agree that the only eternal that matters is the eternal now.


I do not believe in deities. I believe only in knowledge. I do not believe in anything supernatural. How am I religious?
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huckelberry wrote:jo1952
Where are you getting all this gnosticized religion you are preaching?

I do find it ironic that you say that it is not religious teachings which matter but that we treat each other well. That might be a point worth something but then you proceed saying other peoples religious teachings are bad while yours are not.


How is what I now belief gnostic? I don't think there is anything magical or mystical going on....although, my journey took me from Lutheran, to LDS, to gnostic, to searching all major religions.

Also, I NEVER said that other people's religious teachings are bad. Please read what I wrote; without injecting your own thoughts into what you think I said. That's what gets people into not being able to believe what Christ taught. They project their own beliefs without opening their minds and getting rid of their preconceived notions.

Christ doesn't care what we believe; though He is weary of religion and its trappings.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.


Christ taught a way to live in peace. But we don't follow that plan; as such, He didn't bring peace into the world....He just gave us the recipe. He also taught us how we could know Him and the Father; but people don't believe Him. They choose to believe in a false Christ; they deny that He said His work was finished before Gethsemane and the cross:

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.


It is not wrong to not believe what He taught. I never said that it was. However, there are consequences; and that is that we will not be able to believe who Christ really is...and we won't be able to believe who the Father is. The only harm in that is that we will continue to believe what religion teaches; which is filled with fear, and guilt, and division among us---even though we are all equal "gods". Our actions, when not in accordance with Christ's teaching us to do unto others what we would have others do unto us, causes even more misery and suffering on earth, than what the imperfectness of this world causes.

Mortality is a school ground wherein we can experience opposition in all things. This mortal world is purposely imperfect....to see how we will treat each other when we are placed into different circumstances. WE choose those circumstances before each probation. The measure of our creation...and the measure of all that is created...is fulfilled---every whit. Mortality is just a phase of each eternal round in which we, as eternal beings, participate...in order that we can have a fulness of joy in our overall existence.

It has always been this way; worlds without end. We can believe whatever we want to believe; that is the way of free will. Our choices made here have consequences wherein we can cause more misery HERE---but our actions do NOT effect anything outside of mortality. Religion, OTOH, teaches that our choices made here have eternal consequences; if we don't get it "right" here---then we are damned---religious bs. We are here for the experience; we are all right where we need to be. What I believe now does not promote any kind of eternal damnation; we are all equal "gods"---though to us inside of mortality, we can't see or remember that we are "gods" who have existed eternally. Christ teaches a path that can help us see this while we ARE still inside of mortality; but it is not required that we find it. It will only change how we see things here and now.

The light entered into the darkness of mortality. Due to the veil, we forget who we are. Christ taught us that we are the light of the world; but we don't comprehend that we are the light. Because we love the darkness more, we ignore even trying to find out the truth about ourselves. We would rather believe that "God" has only our ears....that we are special, that we believe in the only "true" God---but we are not able to believe that that God is actually us! That iniquity causes us to stumble; but it really doesn't matter!! Because mortality serves a wise purpose for us as eternal beings, our beliefs and our actions only have consequence inside of mortality. The choices we make here prove things to our real selves (our second and first estate self) those things which we seek out in each eternal round in which we participate. As such, it is ultimately all good.
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Franktalk wrote:
huckelberry wrote:Franktalk, You have laid out a sketch of your religious dogmatics. Very little of your religious system is correct to my light. I do think it is excellent to listen to Jesus. I think I do that very thing. I would not wish to interfere with you doing the same.

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I do agree that the only eternal that matters is the eternal now.


I do not believe in deities. I believe only in knowledge. I do not believe in anything supernatural. How am I religious?

The word religion does not necessarily refer to belief in deities, whatever those are. Consider Buddhism.

I could change my comment to read, You have laid out a sketch of your irreligious dogmatics. Very little of your irreligious system is correct to my light.

I am unsure if that is better for you. Mind I am not proposing you must change to fit my light, I am just noting yours appears darkness to me.
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