Smith & the Flaming Sword local influence

[_aussieguy55]

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... ing_sword/

Interesting sources for the flaming sword idea

[_Dr Exiled]

Wow, even the flaming sword story was plagiarized ... you would think Joseph Smith would at least have had a sufficient imagination to come up with something original .... especially the flaming sword because of the obvious comparisons to his ....

[_grindael]

My friend Rick Grunder asked me to post this link... http://www.rickgrunder.com/parallels/mp454.pdf

He told me,

I was offered one of a half-dozen surviving copies of the 1814 pamphlet (which is being discussed on Reddit right now, picked up by MD). It cost me a small fortune, back in 2006, but I knew I had to buy it.

[_kairos]

Nothing surprises me now about early Mormonism and the parallels to stuff happening around joseph and his family.

did joseph say how long the flaming sword was that the angel was going to smite him if he didn't start jumping on the bones of his to be polygamous wives? 30 feet seems to be a little long unless the angel was like 4o feet tall- you know it's all about proportion. a 5 foot tall angel would have a hellavu time wielding a 3o footer particularly if its on fire- just sayin!

k

[_grindael]

Nothing surprises me now about early Mormonism and the parallels to stuff happening around joseph and his family.

did joseph say how long the flaming sword was that the angel was going to smite him if he didn't start jumping on the bones of his to be polygamous wives? 30 feet seems to be a little long unless the angel was like 4o feet tall- you know it's all about proportion. a 5 foot tall angel would have a hellavu time wielding a 3o footer particularly if its on fire- just sayin!

k

A man might have that problem. But are you an expert on what angels can or can not do?

[Guest]

Nothing surprises me now about early Mormonism and the parallels to stuff happening around joseph and his family.

did joseph say how long the flaming sword was that the angel was going to smite him if he didn't start jumping on the bones of his to be polygamous wives? 30 feet seems to be a little long unless the angel was like 4o feet tall- you know it's all about proportion. a 5 foot tall angel would have a hellavu time wielding a 3o footer particularly if its on fire- just sayin!

k

IF a mortal with a bum leg can run at top speed with a 200lb football sized hunk of gold tucked under his arm while jumping logs and straight arming would be thieves, I think an angel with obviously super powers could handled a 30 foot sword just fine and even doused with boy scout water and lit on fire!

[_kairos]

And by the way it is on solid ground that the church pronounces that Joseph Smith was NOT influenced by the
Kama Sutra although Eliza Snow and Miranda Hyde did write separately that he was "frisky" in the sack and preferred to "copulate without clothing or boots". That is being redacted in the Joseph Smith papers according to the new prez newsroom Rick Turley!

[_grindael]

Smith reported this in the HOTC:

Elder Roger Orton saw a mighty angel riding upon a horse of fire, with a flaming
 sword in his hand, followed by five others, encircle the house [temple], and protect the
 Saints, even the Lord’s anointed, from the power of Satan and a host of evil spirits, which were
 striving to disturb the Saints. 11. HC
 2:383.

He obviously believed it. So Angels can ride horses made of Fire but a 30 ft. sword is too unbelievable?

[_Maksutov]

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/4i5kt2/a_man_claimed_an_angel_with_a_flaming_sword/

Interesting sources for the flaming sword idea

Mormonism in a nutshell:

"This cluster of incredibly similar contemporaneous texts, at the very least, signals that Joseph Smith was a product of his time: that, like any writer, he consciously or unconsciously drew from the symbolic resources available in his environment to clarify his understanding of the divine. And at the very worst he simply drew on other sources to perpetuate a fraud."

[_grindael]

And by the way it is on solid ground that the church pronounces that Joseph Smith was NOT influenced by the
Kama Sutra although Eliza Snow and Miranda Hyde did write separately that he was "frisky" in the sack and preferred to "copulate without clothing or boots". That is being redacted in the Joseph Smith papers according to the new prez newsroom Rick Turley!

Pointless sarcasm, but I understand why you would have to resort to this.