Mormon Schizophrenia disorder - The QUAD

[_spotlight]

It is easy to see preserved foreskin of Jesus as outside of believable. I might wish to doubt that any such cathedral exists but lust for relics was strong in some past times.

Traditional theology would see Jesus as genuinely human so his dna would be regular human dna with its normal primate roots. I do fail to see anything remarkable about that. Of course the eternal divine Son would be creator of the order establishing human dna which became his own incarnation. I suppose if one thought that the order of dna was required for Jesus to be divine that would present a tangle, In traditional theology the son was eternally divine and of course would be the source of order in human dna.

If the foreskin fragments exist and were stored in salt solution kept on ice and believed to come from the original source (any real believers here?) then you have some human DNA mixed with the father's DNA that would presumably lack the ERV markers of earth's past or at the very least have different markers representative of another planet's past (per LDS doctrine). If such were not found then LDS doctrine is false (not that it needs another source of falsification). If it is not abnormal in any way then either the male portion was created on the spot to mimic a normal natural human father (wiggle room for believers) or Mary lied to Joseph. My money would be on the latter. Perhaps she engaged in a celestial marriage behind Joseph's back with a local prophet.

[_Maksutov]

Behold the Holy Prepuce.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce

According to David Farley, "Depending on what you read, there were eight, twelve, fourteen, or even 18 different holy foreskins in various European towns during the Middle Ages."[3] In addition to the Holy Foreskin of Rome (later Calcata), other claimants included the Cathedral of Le Puy-en-Velay, Santiago de Compostela, the city of Antwerp, Coulombs in the diocese of Chartres, as well as Chartres itself, and churches in Besançon, Metz, Hildesheim, Charroux, Conques, Langres, Fécamp, Stoke-on-Trent[citation needed], Calcata, and two in Auvergne.[3]

[_spotlight]

Behold the Holy Prepuce.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce

According to David Farley, "Depending on what you read, there were eight, twelve, fourteen, or even 18 different holy foreskins in various European towns during the Middle Ages."[3] In addition to the Holy Foreskin of Rome (later Calcata), other claimants included the Cathedral of Le Puy-en-Velay, Santiago de Compostela, the city of Antwerp, Coulombs in the diocese of Chartres, as well as Chartres itself, and churches in Besançon, Metz, Hildesheim, Charroux, Conques, Langres, Fécamp, Stoke-on-Trent[citation needed], Calcata, and two in Auvergne.[3]

Hmmm, according to the wiki article it was stolen and hasn't resurfaced. Where did the picture come from that you posted? I'd like to think that it is hidden away somewhere in Tennessee and some moonshiners are using it to turn water into whiskey.

[_Maksutov]

Behold the Holy Prepuce.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce

According to David Farley, "Depending on what you read, there were eight, twelve, fourteen, or even 18 different holy foreskins in various European towns during the Middle Ages."[3] In addition to the Holy Foreskin of Rome (later Calcata), other claimants included the Cathedral of Le Puy-en-Velay, Santiago de Compostela, the city of Antwerp, Coulombs in the diocese of Chartres, as well as Chartres itself, and churches in Besançon, Metz, Hildesheim, Charroux, Conques, Langres, Fécamp, Stoke-on-Trent[citation needed], Calcata, and two in Auvergne.[3]

Hmmm, according to the wiki article it was stolen and hasn't resurfaced. Where did the picture come from that you posted? I'd like to think that it is hidden away somewhere in Tennessee and some moonshiners are using it to turn water into whiskey.

I think it's a still from the filming of the Raiders of the Lost Prepuce movie. I think it went direct to video.

[_spotlight]

I think it went direct to video.

Well they shouldn't have cast Jeff Bridges in the role of Indiana Jones.

[_Maksutov]

I think it went direct to video.

Well they shouldn't have cast Jeff Bridges in the role of Indiana Jones.

I hear that the real deal is Saint Agatha's bikini waxings.

[_Mittens]

spotlight,
that is one possible definition of person. It is not the one being used in trinitarian discussion.
reasonable quick view in wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

it points out that the discussion starts with the question of what is relationship between God ,Jesus and, holy spirit. It is concerned with relationship.

Separating LDS thought from Trinitarian can present difficulties and uncertainties. I doubt that either the number or exact definition of persons is an easy path to clarify. There may be more difference in the idea of what is god to start with.

It is Mittens job to explain what he means. Mittens throws words around, leaving them undefined, in an attempt to define what he believes. All I am asking him to do is define what he means. He still hasn't done it.

Homoousios -God- Godhead- Substance- Essence- Being –Nature [ all Synonyms ]

One being. Three persons. In other words, one "what" and three "who"s. There is one being, God. There are three persons: God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The distinction is between being and person. One being, three persons. One what, three who's.

John Ankerberg [Everything You Ever Wanted to know about Mormonism]
Page 104-105
1. There is Only One God
2. The Father is God;
3. Jesus Christ, the Son, is God
4. The Holy Spirit is a Person, is eternal and is therefore God
5. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct persons.

, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168 A.D. - 183 A.D.), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220 A.D.), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 44:6; Mark 12:29,32; John 10:30). 2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.

(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

E. Calvin Beisner
God in Three Persons

The Christian Church throughout history has found in order to remain faithful to the teachings of the New Testament regarding the person and work of Christ, it had to affirm at least the following doctrines:

The doctrine of the Trinity----that in the nature of the One True God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, each fully God, Coequal and Coeternal

The doctrine of the incarnation----- that the Son of God, the Word ( John 1:1 ) became man ( John ; Rom. 1:3 ) uniting in the single person of the Son two distinct and complete natures, diety and humanity.

The sinless of Christ---- that he lived as the perfect man to fulfill God’s plan for all humanity. ( Heb 2:6-18; 4:14, 15 )

The sacrificial death of Christ---- to atone for sins of all men ( 1 John 2:2; 1 Peter 2:; Matt 20:28; 1 Cor 6:20 )

The resurrection of Christ---- that after his death, Christ rose bodily from the grave, showing his triumph over sin and death, as the first fruit, and hence the promise, of resurrection to all who have faith in him ( 1 ; Rom 6:3-11 )

Salvation by Grace through Faith--- that justification before God, and hence salvation from punishment and life with God, are available only as a gift from God through faith in Jesus Christ ( John 14:6; 3:16 Acts 4:10; John 8:24 ) pp 19-20

When we have said these three things, then—that there is but one God, that the Father and the Son and the Spirit is each a distinct person—we have enunciated the doctrine of the Trinity in its completeness.

We may condense this into a somewhat shorter statement, one which is more precise: In the nature of the God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ( or substance ) of the one true God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit p 24

“The Nicene Creed, then, with centuries of theological discussion and controversy behind it, still teaches of the Trinity as the New Testament does: that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, while distinct from each other personally, are the same God” p 153

[_spotlight]

Let's try it out and see if it makes sense. According to John 17 then...

All who will be saved will be one with Christ in the same manner Christ is one with the father. So,

One being. Three persons. In other words, one "what" and three "who"s. There is one being, God. There are three persons: God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The distinction is between being and person. One being, three persons. One what, three who's.

One being. Thousands of persons. In other words, one "what" and thousands of "who"s. There is one being, God. There are thousands of persons: God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and all the saved. The distinction is between being and person. One being, thousands of persons. One what, thousands of who's.

[_Maksutov]

Let's try it out and see if it makes sense. According to John 17 then...

All who will be saved will be one with Christ in the same manner Christ is one with the father. So,

One being. Three persons. In other words, one "what" and three "who"s. There is one being, God. There are three persons: God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The distinction is between being and person. One being, three persons. One what, three who's.

One being. Thousands of persons. In other words, one "what" and thousands of "who"s. There is one being, God. There are thousands of persons: God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and all the saved. The distinction is between being and person. One being, thousands of persons. One what, thousands of who's.

You aren't playing along, Spotlight. The cryptic, vague, contradictory stuff is supposed to make you go "oooooooh". Not "WTF?"

[_dberrie2000]

Nothing in the Bible represents polytheism ,

Then one can't assign polytheism to the LDS:


1 Corinthians 8:6---King James Version (KJV)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.