Why can members of the church look at other religions such as scientology and think "that's some crazy crap. How can anyone believe that", but they can't apply the same line of thinking/criticism to their own faith?
It's even worse than looking at scientology though. Most TBM's can look at the FLDS as those crazy polygamists. Seriously though, the FLDS is probably closer to the church Joe started than mainstream LDS and yet, TBM's lack the ability to apply critical thought to their own version of religion.
Newsflash, Mormonism is some crazy crap. That's why people who look at you from the outside lump you into the same category as scientologists or JW's.
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Sanctorian wrote:Newsflash, Mormonism is some crazy crap. That's why people who look at you from the outside lump you into the same category as scientologists or JW's.
I think I would add FLDS, too. It is some crazy crap.
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TBMs are unable to see things that will hurt them. In a way, their lives are blissful.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
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For me, Mormonism is the herb 'moly' that the god Hermes gave to Odysseus to protect him from the magic of the nymph Circe, who turned her lovers into swine.
The fact that so many intelligent and personally nice people can believe in such an obviously made-up religion as Mormonism reminds me that despite the beauty of the worship, music and buildings of the religion I was brought up in, and the decency and sheer reasonableness of most of its clergy, it is still just another made-up belief system like all the others.
The fact that so many intelligent and personally nice people can believe in such an obviously made-up religion as Mormonism reminds me that despite the beauty of the worship, music and buildings of the religion I was brought up in, and the decency and sheer reasonableness of most of its clergy, it is still just another made-up belief system like all the others.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Well, I think a lot of us did. It became a shelf item. I know being a Mormon was always a source of social discomfort for me at the least, and straight up shame at the worst.
It's amazing how a little time and distance can give you perspective. I recently attended an LDS-centric event and it was astonishing how brainwashed and unthinking the participants were. There were some readings, and it's just flat out weird how the approved and correlated material quoted current leadership. They're virtually deified within this organization. The odd thing is the leader's words weren't really that interesting, insightful, or noteworthy but the members would try to lend them much more weight than they frankly merited. Just platitudes to be obedient to the Church.
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It's amazing how a little time and distance can give you perspective. I recently attended an LDS-centric event and it was astonishing how brainwashed and unthinking the participants were. There were some readings, and it's just flat out weird how the approved and correlated material quoted current leadership. They're virtually deified within this organization. The odd thing is the leader's words weren't really that interesting, insightful, or noteworthy but the members would try to lend them much more weight than they frankly merited. Just platitudes to be obedient to the Church.
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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They believe that we all become gods and then create worlds so that we can die and be resurrected and become a god again and do it over and over for all eternity.
That's some really bat-shit crazy stuff.
That's some really bat-shit crazy stuff.
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One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
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One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
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Sanctorian,
Ask yourself, your past self that question.
And tell us why it took you so long to smell the coffee.
Ask yourself, your past self that question.
And tell us why it took you so long to smell the coffee.
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:Sanctorian,
Ask yourself, your past self that question.
And tell us why it took you so long to smell the coffee.
Actually, it was a variation of this question that started my exit. My brother who was doubting would say "but the church teaches this or that" and I would respond "ya, but I don't believe that". And my shelf started to crack. No more than 3 months after that conversation with my bro, I was done. I realized I didn't believe all that crazy crap.
I'm a Ziontologist. I self identify as such.
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Sanctorian wrote:Polygamy-Porter wrote:Sanctorian,
Ask yourself, your past self that question.
And tell us why it took you so long to smell the coffee.
Actually, it was a variation of this question that started my exit. My brother who was doubting would say "but the church teaches this or that" and I would respond "ya, but I don't believe that". And my shelf started to crack. No more than 3 months after that conversation with my bro, I was done. I realized I didn't believe all that crazy crap.
Age when this occurred???
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