Gunnar wrote:Yet another indication that you don't understand or don't want to understand the evidence already presented to you, if you have even looked at it, which is very highly doubtful.
You have a theory about the sun. You have no evidence. The theory could be wrong and the sun could be the prime mover. It is you that does not understand. Why do you act like you have direct measurements of things in the past that you can't possibly have. Do you have some access to some alien database that the rest of us don't have?
Gunnar wrote:Yet another indication that you don't understand or don't want to understand the evidence already presented to you, if you have even looked at it, which is very highly doubtful.
You have a theory about the sun. You have no evidence. The theory could be wrong and the sun could be the prime mover. It is you that does not understand. Why do you act like you have direct measurements of things in the past that you can't possibly have. Do you have some access to some alien database that the rest of us don't have?
Franktalk wrote:You have a theory about the sun. You have no evidence. The theory could be wrong and the sun could be the prime mover. It is you that does not understand. Why do you act like you have direct measurements of things in the past that you can't possibly have. Do you have some access to some alien database that the rest of us don't have?
Wrong again, and ludicrously so! And further confirmation that you aren't even trying to look at or honestly consider the evidence provided already on this thread. If the sun were the prime mover of currently observed global temperature changes, the world's average temperature should have been decreasing, not increasing as observed.
Look at the graph at that site that shows temperatures rising despite declining solar output the past 11 years or so. How many times does that have to be pointed out to you before you stop embarrassing yourself by using that thoroughly discredited argument? I swear; With every one of your posts to this thread you only further discredit yourself!
ETA: This is not to deny that the sun is by far the biggest influence on our planet's average temperature, but if it were the only factor, temperatures would be much, much lower than they now are, and they should be declining now rather than increasing.
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No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Franktalk is a crank. His brain isn't interested in evidence. It thinks it is the smartest brain in the world, and it insulates itself from anything that might suggest otherwise. He's not unique. There are thousands and thousands of cranks. I don't think they can help it. It's how their brains work. He's happy in his own delusion, and anyone with at least one foot in the real world can spot him as a crank after having just a little back and forth with him.
He's obviously happy in his delusion that he's an enlightened being who knows that we are all just avatars. He can callously wave off the suffering of millions because, hey, this is just a playground for immortal beings so no one really gets hut anyway.
He's not worth all the oxygen we're giving him here.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
You're almost certainly right, RI. He is very much like Trump in that respect. I have no hope of changing his mind, but perhaps some others whose minds are not already set will benefit from being exposed to the evidence we have provided.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Gunnar wrote:You're almost certainly right, RI. He is very much like Trump in that respect. I have no hope of changing his mind, but perhaps some others whose minds are not already set will benefit from being exposed to the evidence we have provided.
Sometimes I think that. But lately I'm not sure. There is so much good material available online that anyone who is curious and has a genuine interest in the facts can find them easily. I'm happy to point folks who want to learn what's what to those kinds of sources. But, given the number of times we've played whack a mole with deniers on this topic, I doubt there's anyone like that who hangs out here.
If there are folks here who are actually interested in a discussion of why franktalk's claims are bollocks, I'd be happy to spend the time it takes to put the issue in context and review what the evidence tells us and why there is a high level of confidence in it. But unless there are folks here who give any credence to what franktalk or Subby or Faqs post on the subject, I thinking it would be time better spent lobbying the folks who are in a position to actually take action.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Franktalk is a stuck-in-his-crazy flake. His assertions regarding science follow the same pattern as his assertions about religion. I can't believe some of you guys are still replying to him 5 days later. And sub who started at the beginning of the thread. You guys, why?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Ok, this is officially the last post I will make to this thread. Just watch, now, how either Franktalk or subgenius will now chime in and claim to have won the argument because we quit posting on it.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Well, they might. So what? Is there anyone here that doesn't understand that "You have to respond to my never-ending stream of BS or I win" is silly, elementary school playground nonsense? The folks here are, by and large, pretty sharp. I trust that they all understand what internet trolling is all about.
You know I've spent a ton of time arguing on this topic here. Mostly, I've done it for myself -- to dig in deeper to some of the material or to play around with different tactics or approaches. I had a blast going on for pages with Tobin once, simply because I ended up reading up on some interesting topics. I doubt there was anyone swayed by anything I said, but I was happy sinking my teeth into new stuff.
So if you are getting something out of the argument, cry havoc! But if all it's doing is for you is raising your blood pressure, who needs that? If there really is someone who is wondering whether franktalk or Subby is making a good point and would like to hear a response, maybe we can just trust them to ask for one.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951