The Constitutional Crisis Thread

[_Res Ipsa]

DOJ is getting ready to challenge the TRO. It's the battle of the 3-word acronyms!

OMG!

DOJ files an EMS with CT9 in SFO for the TRO issued in SEA.

PDQ

[_Res Ipsa]

Anticipating the emergency motion and public interest in the case, the Ninth Circuit has created a page on its website. https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content/vi ... 0000000860

[_Gadianton]

In general regarding the title of this thread:

Prior to the election people would say to me the choice is to pick the lesser of two evils. While this may or may not indicate how I actually voted, my argument against that was if this were the case, then in effect, Hilary would be the greater evil. My reasoning was that the difference between the two is Trump is an amateur and Hilary is a career veteran with literally every connection in the world, and knows how to get things done. So supposing on the evil scale, Hilary is a four and Trump is an eight, Hilary will exact a four while Trump will overreach, break rules, go for a nine, and it will backfire and he'll end up ultimately accomplishing nothing and when the dust settles exact a three.

Even disregarding any rule breaking, look at something like Prop 8. Seems to have overreached, and things got settled ultimately well against the wishes of right-thinking conservatives. I can think of a couple local issues as well where LE went off the rails and ultimately the dust settled with even less power to fight even legit crime.

Am I wrong about this?

[_honorentheos]

In general regarding the title of this thread:

Prior to the election people would say to me the choice is to pick the lesser of two evils. While this may or may not indicate how I actually voted, my argument against that was if this were the case, then in effect, Hilary would be the greater evil. My reasoning was that the difference between the two is Trump is an amateur and Hilary is a career veteran with literally every connection in the world, and knows how to get things done. So supposing on the evil scale, Hilary is a four and Trump is an eight, Hilary will exact a four while Trump will overreach, break rules, go for a nine, and it will backfire and he'll end up ultimately accomplishing nothing and when the dust settles exact a three.

Even disregarding any rule breaking, look at something like Prop 8. Seems to have overreached, and things got settled ultimately well against the wishes of right-thinking conservatives. I can think of a couple local issues as well where LE went off the rails and ultimately the dust settled with even less power to fight even legit crime.

Am I wrong about this?

Your argument being the consequences of a Trump Presidency would result in less harm actually done than a hypothetical Clinton Presidency because of blow-back against a Trump Presidency?

If so, two words: Climate change.

Two more: Bush 2.

Iran war?

Dodd-Frank Repeal?

Steve Bannon?

I think there's a party game in this somewhere.

ETA: The example with Prop 8 assumes that the highly partisan action at a local level in California that was running counter the flow of public opinion nationally and locally is analagous to the kinds of actions available to a radical Executive Branch with unified Conservative government where micro politics such as the Primary-ing of moderate Republicans has proven effective against broad public opinion. Just in case you needed a more wordy answer than climate change. ;)

[_Mayan Elephant]

In general regarding the title of this thread:

Prior to the election people would say to me the choice is to pick the lesser of two evils. While this may or may not indicate how I actually voted, my argument against that was if this were the case, then in effect, Hilary would be the greater evil. My reasoning was that the difference between the two is Trump is an amateur and Hilary is a career veteran with literally every connection in the world, and knows how to get things done. So supposing on the evil scale, Hilary is a four and Trump is an eight, Hilary will exact a four while Trump will overreach, break rules, go for a nine, and it will backfire and he'll end up ultimately accomplishing nothing and when the dust settles exact a three.

Even disregarding any rule breaking, look at something like Prop 8. Seems to have overreached, and things got settled ultimately well against the wishes of right-thinking conservatives. I can think of a couple local issues as well where LE went off the rails and ultimately the dust settled with even less power to fight even legit crime.

Am I wrong about this?

Is your point that status quo evil is more acceptable than disruptive evil?

And also that disruptive evil has a lower probability of reaching a level of impact?

I think the lesser of two evils argument was one that was weighed by fewer people than was thought. For more voters, one candidate was Satan and the other was not evil at all.

[_Gadianton]

Is your point that status quo evil is more acceptable than disruptive evil?

The point was that one may have more evil ambitions than another but less ability to pull it off and so the net result is less evil.

[_Kevin Graham]

Is your point that status quo evil is more acceptable than disruptive evil?

The point was that one may have more evil ambitions than another but less ability to pull it off and so the net result is less evil.

Well then Hillary had far fewer "evil" ambitions (whatever those are) and was in a far weaker position to see them through with a Republican Congress.

[_Some Schmo]

Is your point that status quo evil is more acceptable than disruptive evil?

The point was that one may have more evil ambitions than another but less ability to pull it off and so the net result is less evil.

This assumes all of Drumpf's ambitions are evil. It not what he intends to do that scares me as much as how him not knowing what the hell he's doing is going to screw us all over.

[_subgenius]

him not knowing what the hell he's doing is going to screw us all over.

Carter, W, and Obama are recent examples of people exhibiting a "don't know what they're doing" as president...calm down and avoid the fear mongers for a few days.

[_Jersey Girl]

So did DHS suspend the travel ban? Looks like.