Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

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Re: Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

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Meadowchik wrote:I watched my ban from that thread in real time. Juliann posts that she will start reporting the derails and within minutes, less than ten, maybe five, I was banned from the thread. No mod warning, that was it.

There certainly wasn't time there for a mod to receive the report and then go through the thread to evaluate a derail and execute a ban, in my opinion.

It's poor forum practice for mods to use anonymous screennames, as in, not their participant handles. It's not transparent and it worsens imbalanced dialogue and is, of course, disingenuous.

The quality of the place has degraded, even if there are cool peeps there.
Madison54 wrote:I agree. The way they handle the moderating is pretty ridiculous (with the scary names and avatars trying to strike terror in the members....and they do rule using threats and fear). Why not just be out in the open with who the moderators are like other forums?

Calm owns the board (Nemesis) and I think she can log in and use any of the moderator identities (but usually uses Nemesis). She's pretty obvious if you watch her posting style (she shows up, posts a few times on a thread stating disapproval of the topic or some of the posts and then minutes later it's locked or posters are banned, for example).

Juliann usually moderates using the Hestia screen name (she's obvious because Hestia uses many of the exact same phrases that Juliann uses when posting). But she may use other ID's too.

The two together are pretty disturbing to watch as they enjoy and abuse the power along with really treating members poorly. At least Juliann is openly nasty all the time where Calm hides it and takes on a different personality when she moderates. Pretty comical and juvenile really.

Thanks for the details, Madison54. It clears up a lot of confusion in the Open Stories thread. The exchange that had Calm snarling "It's always been this way!" when someone innocently asked "can a mod tell me when the rules changed?" was too funny.
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Re: Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

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So, this whole thing can basically be summarized as: Rosebud "hooked up" with Dehlin on one or more occasions, where they kissed, "engaged in heavy petting," etc., Rosebud started to fall for him, and then he pulled the rug out, thus triggering this "crusade" to rescue people from being "taken in" by him? Is that it, more or less?
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
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No. But that is the story he would like you to believe.
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Re: Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

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cwald wrote:
But that changed when I got an attorney to help me create documentation... decided, then, to withdraw my claim, file a document recording what happened...because I never signed a non-disclosure


Why not share this kind of evidence to back up your accusations?


Because my allegations are credible without it. That would cause a true drama... the kind I really don't have time for. My objective is not to get in the newspapers, but to document for the future, tell my side of the story and move on. I have a life outside of all of this to live. I've taken care of my objectives with this strategy. ExMos aren't worth all that.
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And, I admit, I'm interested in social engineering and watching how people behave collectively. This approach is interesting, still powerful, and less personally taxing than all that.
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Re: Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

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Lemmie wrote:Thanks for the details, Madison54. It clears up a lot of confusion in the Open Stories thread. The exchange that had Calm snarling "It's always been this way!" when someone innocently asked "can a mod tell me when the rules changed?" was too funny.

Yes, Calm's hatred of Dehlin has seemed to cause her to go off the rails and be extremely careless on that thread.

Another example is where in her opening post, she states that she was waiting on a request to mods "to see how much crossposting is allowed" (when she bans people right and left for crossposting) and then within minutes posts that she "got permission" to continue crossposting. That was hilariously obvious too.

When have the mods ever responded to anyone (via PM or otherwise)? And within minutes of a request?

Has anyone thought to ask Calm how she contacted the mods for this request? The "contact mods" link has been broken for a very long time (with a big announcement regarding this at the top of the page posted by Calm). :lol:

But she continues to deny that she's a mod :rolleyes:
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Re: Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

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Also, don't it's better for the community to overthrow him together than for me to do it through a "scandal" that would reduce the credibility of all postMos just like his "faith reconstruction" podcast did?

Also, for a long time I wanted to prevent that to protect my kids. I don't feel that way so much anymore because my kids have really grown up a lot. They could handle it just fine now. The hardest part for them was coming to accept what kind of man their own father is as well as what their obligations are to him considering what he did to me during the divorce but also taking into account his disability.
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Re: Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

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Also, the publicized "scandal" approach in this situation takes my "power" too far. I don't need revenge and I have no desire to hurt his family. If they get hurt by this any more than they already have, that needs to be on his head, not mine.

Plus, I can't think of any good reason why he shouldn't be free to have and build an LLC and make as much money off of podcasts and cruises as people will pay him. It's a common business model. A lot of people really enjoy that kind of socializing these days.

My qualms are with him having a license and with him using a business model that copies the church people are transitioning from and takes advantage of people's goodwill. He needs to stop advertising with treatment-type language. But anybody can hold inspirational cruises for people who want to pay for them.

I can't stop him from preying on more women, but there will always be men around who do that. Women need street smarts. I've got more now. What makes me really angry is him intentionally preying on SAHMs with big hearts who don't want callings anymore and are looking for a new place to volunteer. That's over-the-top predatory and it hurts the post-Mo community.
Chronological List of Relevant Documents, Media Reports and Occurrences with Links regarding the lawsuit alleging President Nelson's daughter and son-in-law are sexual predators.

By our own Mary (with maybe some input from me when I can help). Thank you Mary!

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Re: Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

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What happened was not a crime, it was a human rights violation. It was the Open Stories Foundation that was ultimately responsible.

Is there a possible civil suit? Yes. Thus, I assume, his silence.

But I have better things to do with my time than that.

What is wrong with an LLC John, and just making your money honestly instead of ripping off other people? How much power do you need?
Chronological List of Relevant Documents, Media Reports and Occurrences with Links regarding the lawsuit alleging President Nelson's daughter and son-in-law are sexual predators.

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my DMV story re answering questions

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Madison54 wrote:Another example is where in her opening post, she states that she was waiting on a request to mods "to see how much crossposting is allowed" (when she bans people right and left for crossposting) and then within minutes posts that she "got permission" to continue crossposting. That was hilariously obvious too.

When have the mods ever responded to anyone (via PM or otherwise)? And within minutes of a request?

Has anyone thought to ask Calm how she contacted the mods for this request? The "contact mods" link has been broken for a very long time (with a big announcement regarding this at the top of the page posted by Calm). :lol:

But she continues to deny that she's a mod :rolleyes:

yes, she contacts mods the way I look in a mirror. :rolleyes:

And that 9-month-old contact broken link cracks me up every time I look over there. Especially this part in the extended explanation:
If you are ignored... then assume your request was denied. Also if you try to email us that email address is pretty much ignored. Also don't contact us to complain....
:rolleyes:

Calm's logic reminds me of an experience I had yesterday when I went to the DMV with my son. The employee in the booth labeled "information" cut off the question of the person ahead of us in mid-sentence. He said, "can't you answer my question?" She actually said: "No! If I start answering questions, then that's all I will end up doing all day long."

Said the DMV employee in the information booth, whose literal job description is: answer questions, all day long. :rolleyes:
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