candygal wrote:I am not saying that at all..I am saying that both Hillary and Bill broke some laws,,,that justice should be served The levels of justice in said laws will differ in what the crime is..but they got away with murder.maybe rape.and a whole lot of unethical things..c'mon.you know what I mean.
Which laws did Hillary break?
Which laws has Bill Clinton broken?
Can you list the prosecutions? The convictions?
There is no lack of investigations. Do you think the Republicans running endless investigations of Hillary haven't tried hard enough, have held back, or have been bought off somehow, so that guilty lawbreaker Hillary has skated out of trouble?
Are you hoping for just one more investigation on top of the dozens that have already have occurred will finally find what all of the rest failed to find?
Which crime needs to be punished here?
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Uncle Ed wrote:The reason why DJT got elected is because the system is broken. And the political machines broke it. All those "door knobs" in over ninety percent of the counties in the US want it fixed.
The reason DJT got elected is because people have not matured in their discernment of online propaganda. Some tens of thousands of votes in strategic places with the help of Cambridge Analytica, and there you go.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Your board contributions usually display great balance, wisdom and broad perspective. You are almost always so reasonable.
What the #### happened in this particular thread?
Peace, Ceeboo
Maybe there is a time not to put on a reasonable face. I believe in being reasonable when it is the right thing to do. Not every situation requires the same response.
I believe we are in real peril. These issues are a helluva lot more serious than the piddling Mormon issues we usually fritter our time away with on this board for healthy entertainment.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Kishkumen wrote:Maybe there is a time not to put on a reasonable face. I believe in being reasonable when it is the right thing to do. Not every situation requires the same response.
I believe we are in real peril.
America is a farm, and we are someone else's property.
The sooner you make peace with that fact, the happier you'll be.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
Kishkumen: Your angst is baseless. For starters, human beings are not going to change in the main. They have not changed in thousands of years. The Founders tried this great experiment, because they had to try. They didn't have any over the top confidence in human nature. And they tried to limit the stupidity of the average voter, to no avail. Finally, even women could vote. Oh, the horror!
If the popular vote in over ninety percent of the counties of the US voted for The Donald it is a simple fact of life. You can explain it in denigrating terms all day and it won't change anything. People on the Net are bombarded with propaganda constantly. It is merely more concentrated by our modern wonder world of 24/7/365 social Medía, the new normal. And you think it all went Trump's way because people are too stupid to know when they are being conned.
Human thinking is not intended to gather a lot of details about a lot of things. We simplify the world around us. We forget things too easily. I heard a radio program this evening about this by a couple of "experts" (they have degrees, and coauthored books at least): We are supposed to bring what we think we know and discuss in groups. Although none of us knows very much by ourselves, together we can forge a path that is more secure. That is what is happening, possibly for the first time in my lifetime. People are waking up.
Trump is a political neophyte. So, what? That's what advisers and counselors are for. He does listen. He has honored the 1995 Congressional law to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. He has rolled back Gov't interference, especially the edicts Obama put in that do end runs on due process. He is honoring his campaign promises. He is working to improve a decaying economy from too much Gov't interference. He is cutting waste and entitlement. He is doing his best to strengthen the military. Etc. All within one year, and that's just what I can come up with on the spur.
A man should never step a foot into the field, But have his weapons to hand: He knows not when he may need arms, Or what menace meet on the road. - Hávamál 38
Kishkumen wrote:Can you list the prosecutions? The convictions?
Specifics are listed below.
Which laws did Hillary break?
She was a potential candidate so she may have broken some law. If not then surely if enough mud is thrown some of it will stick. This resulted in a loss of an election, to a narcissistic compulsive liar, penalty.
Which laws has Bill Clinton broken?
Illegal reception of a surreptitious BJ resulting in a 15-yard impeachment penalty which was overturned on the field by the Senate.
Ceeboo wrote:What the #### happened in this particular thread?
it has become blatantly derailed from anything about Mormonism
is destination the outer darkness?
Ceeboo wrote:Peace, Ceeboo
we should have peace
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Uncle Ed wrote:Kishkumen: Your angst is baseless. For starters, human beings are not going to change in the main. They have not changed in thousands of years. The Founders tried this great experiment, because they had to try. They didn't have any over the top confidence in human nature. And they tried to limit the stupidity of the average voter, to no avail. Finally, even women could vote. Oh, the horror!
If the popular vote in over ninety percent of the counties of the US voted for The Donald it is a simple fact of life. You can explain it in denigrating terms all day and it won't change anything. People on the Net are bombarded with propaganda constantly. It is merely more concentrated by our modern wonder world of 24/7/365 social Medía, the new normal. And you think it all went Trump's way because people are too stupid to know when they are being conned.
Human thinking is not intended to gather a lot of details about a lot of things. We simplify the world around us. We forget things too easily. I heard a radio program this evening about this by a couple of "experts" (they have degrees, and coauthored books at least): We are supposed to bring what we think we know and discuss in groups. Although none of us knows very much by ourselves, together we can forge a path that is more secure. That is what is happening, possibly for the first time in my lifetime. People are waking up.
Trump is a political neophyte. So, what? That's what advisers and counselors are for. He does listen. He has honored the 1995 Congressional law to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. He has rolled back Gov't interference, especially the edicts Obama put in that do end runs on due process. He is honoring his campaign promises. He is working to improve a decaying economy from too much Gov't interference. He is cutting waste and entitlement. He is doing his best to strengthen the military. Etc. All within one year, and that's just what I can come up with on the spur.
So, humans don't change but "people are waking up" and angst about Trump is baseless.
The political machines are so alike, agenda and exploitation, that The Donald defeated them all. Unlikely as that was, every step of the way, he was taken to the pinnacle of power by the popular vote in over ninety percent of the counties in the US. Calling that many Americans "stupid" is ridiculous.
Enough improvements have already happened, and are happening, that his first year in office is justifiably accounted a success. He just plows ahead. Now, if he could just keep his mouth shut things would be less annoying for many. But also not as much fun.
I did not vote for him either.
Even smart people can do extremely stupid things, Uncle Ed.
Narratives really are attractive to the human brain, but they are just stories we tell ourselves and not the whole truth. And the truth and the future will not obey some tidy partisan view of the world. Trump is abject, perhaps pathologically so. He is our tragedy. You cannot predict the consequences of making such a man president. So much about civil society has already gone sideways because of him.
I say that but I am still an optimist. I hope people will do better in spite of the damage he is inflicting now.
