Tidal wave of sexual assault-misconduct allegations list

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Chap wrote:I think that you don't know as much about women as it would be good for you to know
hmmm

knowledge and usage...

the general practitioner knows many things, but can do nothing
the surgeon could do anything, but knows nothing before
the anatomist knows and can do everything - but cui bono ?




by the way something off topic on the offtopic forum - but the keyword reverberated
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Choyo,

Don't forget the donkey volunteered to have its balls removed, too.

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I wonder how many of these women used their sexuality to get what they wanted, and when the fun dried up they all of a sudden figured they were victims of the Patriarchy?


Hmm, an attempt at argument here, perhaps:

Premise:
Some women have used their sexuality to gain financial or other benefits.

Deduction:
Therefore any woman who complains about men molesting her sexually is a hypocrite.

Let's see: for the deduction to be true, we need the preceding premise to be true, and also for there to be a valid logical link from the premise to the deduction.

Check it out:

Premise true? YES

bunch of drunk guys in a sports bar wrote:Yay, lying f*****g b****s! Somone ought'a **** the lotta' them!!


Err, actually we're not quite done.

Valid logical link? NO

Sorry. You'll need to find some other reasons for telling 60% of women to stop pestering men about harassing them.

bunch of drunk guys in a sports bar wrote:Hey, some let-down! But waddya expect from a bunch of dames?
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Choyo Chagas wrote:you are lucky to be male; even the poorest boys have at least one toy


Chap wrote:I think that you don't know as much about women as it would be good for you to know, my friend. They don't lack for anything in that department.


Choyo Chagas wrote:hmmm

knowledge and usage...

the general practitioner knows many things, but can do nothing
the surgeon could do anything, but knows nothing before
the anatomist knows and can do everything - but cui bono ?


Look, let's go through this. You suggested that boys are lucky, because they have what they need to masturbate. That implies you think that girls don't.

Well, bluntly, they do. And unless irrational prohibition has been at work in their heads, a lot of of them use that equipment as enthusiastically as boys do. If you already knew that, your joke was pretty pointless. If you did not, well, my remark above stands.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:You suggested that boys are lucky, because they have what they need to masturbate. That implies you think that girls don't.

Well, bluntly, they do.

ok, that one toy for poor boys is a widely used saying.

about girls? i've seen my toddler niece to ride alone, in diaper. i think she will find the proper way to do the same, as some-teen year old...
Choyo Chagas is Chairman of the Big Four, the ruler of the planet from "The Bull's Hour" ( Russian: Час Быка), a social science fiction novel written by Soviet author and paleontologist Ivan Yefremov in 1968.
Six months after its publication Soviet authorities banned the book and attempted to remove it from libraries and bookshops.
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Choyo Chagas wrote:ok, that one toy for poor boys is a widely used saying.


But:

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If you repeat sayings like that, some poor shy girl may read your post, and think that she is ... anatomically unusual.

Let's keep it real.
Zadok:
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Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:If we were talking about proving a geometrical theorem, we certainly need precise definitions of the terms we intend to use in stating the conditions under which the theorem applies.

But we are not proving a theorem here. We are talking about social and interpersonal relations, and in that universe everything is fuzzy edged, and everything can be different in different circumstances. Any hard definition will fail to capture important aspects of the problem, or to leave space for some parts of the solution. This is not a place where strict rules and definitions can help you much. Scary, isn't it? Welcome to the real world where real people live their lives.


But our real world doesn't have to be that way. We do need a clear definition of what sexual harassment is, we shouldn't rely on subjective feelings. Do you consider elevator eyes sexual harassment? How about a one time invitation to your co-worker (someone not below you)?

"If we can’t even handle a friendly sexual invitation in a genuinely safe environment without losing our composure, how can we tolerate the rough-and-tumble of the world out there?" - Dr. Klein Ph.D, sex psychologist
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DoubtingThomas wrote:How about a one time invitation to your co-worker (someone not below you)?


Here you go, buddy:

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:We do need a clear definition of what sexual harassment is, we shouldn't rely on subjective feelings.


Nope. Subjective feelings (ours, and those of the recipients of our attentions) are exactly what we have to rely on.

Trust me on this: women are basically easy to get on with, and will come a long way to meet you if they see you are trying to be nice. They mean you no harm. Go on, try. Things will go wrong sometimes, but rules are no help whatsoever in this game.
Zadok:
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Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:Trust me on this: women are basically easy to get on with, and will come a long way to meet you if they see you are trying to be nice. They mean you no harm. Go on, try. Things will go wrong sometimes, but rules are no help whatsoever in this game.


Mr. Chap,

I know women are not trying to harm me, why are you misrepresenting my words? I am NOT worried anymore because I am very careful, I am a very nice guy and do talk to women with respect. Please stop insinuating that I am completely clueless on women.

Listen the world is not black or white, the US has 300 million people which means everyday s*** happens. Every day a father of five loses his job for some unfair subjective feeling. Is that right? Shouldn't we try to fix it by simply having a clear definition on what sexual harassment is?

Are you against having a clear definition on sexual harassment? If you are please stop kissing the feminists @$$. I suspect feminazis s*** backfired and contributed to Donald Trump's victory.
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