BOOK OF ABRAHAM FACSIMILE NO. 3?? WEBSITE

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:JP,

DCP has mentioned Shulem's research a couple of times.

What does he think about Shulem's findings? Will there be a response from the Interpreter?

I know Gee has looked at Shulem's research, but as of yet, has been completly silent.

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Both Peterson and Gee are more than welcome to express their current opinion on whether they think/feel there was an original jackal snout removed subsequent to the grand presentation showcased in the Times and Seasons.

It's simple and easy: 1-10. Perhaps DCP would like another scale seeing he's a school teacher and has lots of practice grading papers, so let him grade me. I get an A if he thinks there was a snout and an F if the snout is just my imagination.

What say ye, DCP, will you please grade my paper?

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I'd give it a 9.5, only because it's a little hard to believe that Joseph didn't just tell the woodcutter to leave the snout off in the first place.
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***IMPORTANT OBSERVATION OF THE LEADCUT PLATE***

Observe the horizontal lines that are distinctively etched into the upper body of black Anubis:

ANUBIS, FIRST PERSON ON THE LEFT

I believe these lines or grooves were caused by a tool used to trowel or smooth the common surface of the original plate. If you hold a straight edge along the horizontal lines you'll notice that they extend over into the character of Maat wherein the groves can be clearly traced in the outline of her arm. They even seem to extend (although faintly) all the way to the outline that forms Osiris sitting upon his throne. But there is no question that the groves running horizontally through Anubis's upper body are the same groves that run through Maat, two persons to the right.

I believe the leadcut plate was originally flat throughout the entire surface before any carving or etching was performed. The engraver must have used some kind of trowel to smooth the entire surface to help even the form. The tool is what caused the grooves when he ran it across the surface of the plate. At this point I can't tell whether the tool was run horizontal or vertical when the groves were formed. It could be argued either way but I don't know the consistency of the lead or its composition when the trowel like spatula was swiped. More shall be revealed, that's for sure.

So, why is all this important? It indicates that the original entire surface was smoothed down and was a square surface prior to the engraving tools making their first cuts or impressions to carve out material. If a SNOUT was originally engraved on a jackal head there would have been foot print like impressions around it after having removed the snout. The original snout had its own borders carved in metal and those impressions would have survived unless the engraver took special care to smooth the entire surface to hide any remnants of the original. But I don't think Reuben Hedlock cared too much about hiding it. All he cared about was removing the snout as ordered by Joseph Smith and the raised relief would print the final outcome.

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:Jesse Pinkman,

DCP has mentioned Shulem's research a couple of times.

What does he think about Shulem's findings? Will there be a response from the Interpreter?

I know Gee has looked at Shulem's research, but as of yet, has been completly silent.

Thanks

I was not aware that Dan had mentioned Paul's research. Do you have a link? I don't know what was said. I have never discussed this with him.
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Shulem,

You knocked it out of the park here. PLEASE publish this. Even a short piece in a historical journal would be great. I give you a TEN. And Anubis always wore a headdress, so that is the reason for the strange shape of the head. Notice part of it can be seen in the penciled in lines on the shoulder that were not used. They are useless, except for something that was there, but that they did not need after it was changed. I'm all for having a bit of fun, but this is very serious and important discovery and your website should reflect that more in my opinion.
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grindael wrote:Shulem,

You knocked it out of the park here. PLEASE publish this. Even a short piece in a historical journal would be great. I give you a TEN. And Anubis always wore a headdress, so that is the reason for the strange shape of the head. Notice part of it can be seen in the penciled in lines on the shoulder that were not used. They are useless, except for something that was there, but that they did not need after it was changed. I'm all for having a bit of fun, but this is very serious and important discovery and your website should reflect that more in my opinion.

I echo Grindael’s request. Please publish this. You will have a lot of backing if you decide to do it, Paul.
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Paul, I looked again at the carving, the markings in the rectangular boxes above the figures heads, and the edges and positioning of those boxes, i think lends further credence to your hypothesis.

If the typical box shape of that rectangle as seen over the heads of the other figures is indeed typical, then it is an anomaly that the box edges are much further away from the round face of the anubis face. Even though there is room, the rectangle is incomplete.

If that rectangle had unfinished borders because of the proximity of the snout then it would be consistent with the rectangles over the other figures. However, if he had to chisel away a snout, then what is left is an unfinished rectangle, too far away from the anubis figure and inconsistent with the other shapes.
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grindael wrote:Shulem,

You knocked it out of the park here. PLEASE publish this. Even a short piece in a historical journal would be great. I give you a TEN. And Anubis always wore a headdress, so that is the reason for the strange shape of the head. Notice part of it can be seen in the penciled in lines on the shoulder that were not used. They are useless, except for something that was there, but that they did not need after it was changed. I'm all for having a bit of fun, but this is very serious and important discovery and your website should reflect that more in my opinion.


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grindael wrote:Shulem,

You knocked it out of the park here. PLEASE publish this. Even a short piece in a historical journal would be great. I give you a TEN. And Anubis always wore a headdress, so that is the reason for the strange shape of the head. Notice part of it can be seen in the penciled in lines on the shoulder that were not used. They are useless, except for something that was there, but that they did not need after it was changed. I'm all for having a bit of fun, but this is very serious and important discovery and your website should reflect that more in my opinion.


Thanks for your vote of confidence. Right now I'm more interested in seeing how things develop and learn more about the leadcut process and how the physical evidence shows there was an original snout carved into a jackal head. Egyptology conclusively proves that Anubis is Anubis and the hieroglyphic label is proof of the pudding.

Which "penciled in lines" were you referring to, specifically? I don't see any definitive pencil lines on the shoulder of Fig. 6., -- cracks perhaps but not pencil lines per-se.

The church has practically gotten away with murder with the pretended translation and interpretation of Anubis in taking sacred writings from another religion and desecrating it for their own selfish purposes. This is going to end. It will no longer be tolerated and I feel it's time for the church to apologize and end the slander. The LDS church today stands accountable and their continuous denials and slandering of ancient Egypt will only get them into more hot water. The Facsimile No. 3 in LDS canon is crooked and evil. It should be removed without further delay. Surely voices from the dust (tombs) and the gods of ancient Egypt demand it!

I would like to think that world religions Christian or otherwise would also demand The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints end their official defamation and slander against the ancient Egyptian religion. It needs to stop. It must stop!


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Lemmie wrote:Paul, I looked again at the carving, the markings in the rectangular boxes above the figures heads, and the edges and positioning of those boxes, i think lends further credence to your hypothesis.

If the typical box shape of that rectangle as seen over the heads of the other figures is indeed typical, then it is an anomaly that the box edges are much further away from the round face of the anubis face. Even though there is room, the rectangle is incomplete.

If that rectangle had unfinished borders because of the proximity of the snout then it would be consistent with the rectangles over the other figures. However, if he had to chisel away a snout, then what is left is an unfinished rectangle, too far away fromthe anubis figure and inconsistent with the other shapes.

The three registers above Anubis pay homage to Anubis. The writing on the printed version reads from left to right. The first register says, "Words' spoken by Anubis" and there is no question that it's Anubis below doing the talking, not a slave.

Had there been no snout protruding from a jackal face the hieroglyphic characters may have descended further down into his face just as they do in Maat's face, Fig. 4. But clearly, the snout owned the original space and the writing knew its bounds.
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