Russia Likely Did Swing Votes For Donald Trump

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I am not sure how I can address the root cause, which is drug addiction and mental illness.

I think drug addiction is a symptom, and mental illness can be a root cause. I think people and governments need to objectively look at why a population will turn to drug use and why mental illness tends to manifest in larger numbers when economic opportunity and private property ownership are decreased.

I don't disagree that cultural laziness can play a part into disenfranchisement, but I'm not sure that's a catchall answer that can be addressed through policy changes. If laziness is truly a cultural character trait then you're just always going to have a significant portion of the population that is poor and homeless.

- Doc

[_Markk]

It's interesting to see just how much bias can make you believe some really dumb things. Greasing the pockets of politicians does not mean one learns how government works other then in how to influence politicians to work for you. HC may not be a nice person, and maybe you could argue things like temperament make her less qualified, but questioning her qualifications while listing a number of things she has done which make her very qualified to know how the job works is really dumb. She has more qualifications then most people who have been president in my lifetime. Doesn't mean I want her as president, but I can at least be honest enough to see she has more qualifications them most people who have run for president.

She has more qualifications then most people who have been president in my lifetime.

She has never held a position where she had to govern people, are you kidding me?

Greasing the pockets of politicians does not mean one learns how government works other then in how to influence politicians to work for you

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Well...I am not sure what to say other than that is what politicians do...pander to the money. That is what lobbyists do Themis...grease their pockets, and then the politicians in turn sell votes to get what they need for those that greased their pockets. Even if they aren't paid with money, they do so to stay elected.

Theoretically, if the Homeless had money to grease pockets, they would have gotten real help...instead, environmentalists who have money, greased some pockets and got plastic straws laws passed in California cities, and will now fine waitresses 1000k and/or 6 months in jail if they give them out without the customer first asking. They are even going to a complete ban in some cities (Santa Monica, I heard).

I wonder if we have straw police now?

"what you in for ...aggravated assault...what are you in for, I gave a straw to a lady without them asking."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/na ... 074610001/

[_ajax18]

To solve homelessness you have to solve illegal immigration. What people don't want to admit, from Democrat vote seekers to Republican business types, is when you introduce millions of low-wage laborers you absolutely destroy the workers' ability to make a decent living. Couple that with population pressures on a given geographic area and you're going to get what you get.

Do you really believe this? Everyone here claims illegal immigration makes most native born Americans more wealthy. Hence California should be extremly wealthy since it has the most immigrants.

[_Kishkumen]

Trump has been greasing the pockets of politicians for decades, including the Clinton's...he knows how Washington works.

Wow, Markk. What a recommendation. He is a corrupt piece of crap who knows how to be corrupt. Great.

[_Markk]

Aren't homes very expensive in SoCal? How do the people who work minimum wage jobs afford a place to live unless they put 20 people in a room with one bathroom, similar to BYU honor code approved student housing.

yes, very expensive

You work hard, save money, and rent until you can afford a home. You don't have a hundred dollar cell phone bill and eat Cheetos and drink Cokes or have a drug and alcohol problem...most of here have done so.

There are workers I know, and \make okay money, that drive 50 or 60K trucks, and live in a rented apartment with 10 people...it is about choices.

Andi this is a bash on my own here. I know a very rich Christian man that is putting a lot of money into a ministry in a inner city that is in bad shape. And is talking about a skateboard park and a rapping/music studio, coffee shop, and tattoo parlor?

His heart is right, and he has a few other programs that are really good...but he has no idea what is needed in my opinion...A finance class, real vocational training, and public communication (how to get a job and talk with others, along with impression). In other words don't get a tattoo on your face and go look for a job in short pants and a ball cap on sideways.

We have guys that work for us that look like that, and are good workers...but most people would not give them a chance, and it is said t say promotion and management positions are not really an option for them and are rare.

[_Themis]

She has never held a position where she had to govern people, are you kidding me?

Like I said, your bias can make you believe some stupid things. She has decades of experience to learn how it all works. As a first lady in both state and federal government. Sure it's not the same as governor, but it does give one a lot of knowledge how it works, and she was one of the most involved politically first ladies. Then she is a US senator for what, 8 years? This is one of the jobs most consider prepares a person well for being a president. It gives first hand experience and knowledge how the federal government works and the job is governing. Then 4 years as SOS, the most important job outside of being president. How much do you have to hate her to think she is not qualified?

Well...I am not sure what to say other than that is what politicians do...pander to the money. That is what lobbyists do Themis...grease their pockets, and then the politicians in turn sell votes to get what they need for those that greased their pockets. Even if they aren't paid with money, they do so to stay elected.

Lobbyist's usually do have a good understanding about how government works, but Trump was never a lobbyist. Hes the guy paying lobbyist's. I don't see any evidence he took the time to learn how it works when he can get lobbyist's to do it. It's also an admission by you that Trump is corrupt. So not only does Trump have no qualifications to be president, but he is also corrupt, which makes him unlikely to push for much needed campaign finance reform. Probably the biggest issue that needs fixing in the US system. And that doesn't even get into all the other physiological problems with the guy. There are a number of Republican candidates I would have favored over HC.

[_Themis]

To solve homelessness you have to solve illegal immigration. What people don't want to admit, from Democrat vote seekers to Republican business types, is when you introduce millions of low-wage laborers you absolutely destroy the workers' ability to make a decent living. Couple that with population pressures on a given geographic area and you're going to get what you get.

Do you really believe this? Everyone here claims illegal immigration makes most native born Americans more wealthy. Hence California should be extremly wealthy since it has the most immigrants.

California has a number of factors like warm a climate that cause a lot of people to move there including the homeless. Now if you want to fix illegal immigration you need to address economics. Most people immigrate because of economic and political situations. NAFTA has benefited all three countries, even if Mexico probably gets the most benefit. That has resulted in better economic conditions and more Mexican going back home then entering the US. If NAFTA is destroyed, it will hurt all three countries, Mexico probably the worst. This will result in more migration into the US from Mexico.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

To solve homelessness you have to solve illegal immigration. What people don't want to admit, from Democrat vote seekers to Republican business types, is when you introduce millions of low-wage laborers you absolutely destroy the workers' ability to make a decent living. Couple that with population pressures on a given geographic area and you're going to get what you get.

Do you really believe this? Everyone here claims illegal immigration makes most native born Americans more wealthy. Hence California should be extremly wealthy since it has the most immigrants.

Well. California IS extremely wealthy. There's just a wealth disparity. But that's already been addressed.

I do believe unmitigated immigration from poor nations cause two apparent things:

1) It introduces a massive amount of people willing to work for less money than your average American. This stagnates wages which are just a product of market forces. Why pay more when you can pay less because this pool of laborers will work for less. This has always been an issue with mass immigration dating back to the 1800's. You're just not going to get around this at all, and if you artificially increase wages then all you do is expedite inflation.

2) You can't grow more land. So if you take a region, say, that originally supports 5 million people, and introduce 1 million people willing to work for less money than they inhabitants you're going to shift labor to the cheaper pool AND real estate is going to sky rocket. That's a fact. And then you start to see multiple families living at one property, homelessness, drug abuse, so on and so forth.

So, while immigration is generally a better deal for desperate people who have virtually no options in their native lands the natives either have to adapt, accept a huge decrease in their living standards, or give in to drug use, depression, whatever because they can't adapt and they don't want to work like dogs.

- Doc

[Guest]

She has never held a position where she had to govern people, are you kidding me?

Like I said, your bias can make you believe some stupid things. She has decades of experience to learn how it all works. As a first lady in both state and federal government. Sure it's not the same as governor, but it does give one a lot of knowledge how it works, and she was one of the most involved politically first ladies. Then she is a US senator for what, 8 years? This is one of the jobs most consider prepares a person well for being a president. It gives first hand experience and knowledge how the federal government works and the job is governing. Then 4 years as SOS, the most important job outside of being president. How much do you have to hate her to think she is not qualified?

Well...I am not sure what to say other than that is what politicians do...pander to the money. That is what lobbyists do Themis...grease their pockets, and then the politicians in turn sell votes to get what they need for those that greased their pockets. Even if they aren't paid with money, they do so to stay elected.

Lobbyist's usually do have a good understanding about how government works, but Trump was never a lobbyist. he's the guy paying lobbyist's. I don't see any evidence he took the time to learn how it works when he can get lobbyist's to do it. It's also an admission by you that Trump is corrupt. So not only does Trump have no qualifications to be president, but he is also corrupt, which makes him unlikely to push for much needed campaign finance reform. Probably the biggest issue that needs fixing in the US system. And that doesn't even get into all the other physiological problems with the guy. There are a number of Republican candidates I would have favored over HC.

Then she is a US senator for what, 8 years? This is one of the jobs most consider prepares a person well for being a president.

CFR Please

More would value military experience, then Governor, then public office (House or Senate.

http://www.people-press.org/2011/06/02/ ... xperience/

Would Michele Obama or Laura Bush just becasue they were first ladies make good presidents? What did Hillary Clinton do as a 1st lady?

Hillary will probably go down in history as a enabler...If the me too movement were to rate her honestly...where would she rate? look at all those women that were crucified for telling their stories about Bill's whoring.

What else did she do as first lady...she failed at Hillary care, which would have been her biggest accomplishment by far in all theaters.

Then 4 years as SOS, the most important job outside of being president. How much do you have to hate her to think she is not qualified?

I never said she was not qualified...I was questioning her being "highly" qualified in context with what she has accomplished...which is not much?

In context with the discussion...she is just not liked, and I question her being "highly" qualified based on her record. People can train for all their life for a position, but it does not mean the are qualified for the position.

Would you want her to run again in 2020...if not why...after all she is the most qualified...right?

[_subgenius]

She has decades of experience to learn how it all works.

you're kidding right?
My father was an architect so it seems that I never realized I was the "most qualified" to get my license simply by being architect adjacent....why did I bother qualifying for that exam the old fashioned way? I was entitled to it according to you.

So, Hillary Clinton wass more qualified than, say, Bernie because she was Bill adjacent...sans security clearance and all...got it!